Fight fire with fire. Apparently it’s the only thing conservatives will pay attention to
So many of them are convinced all gun violence is coming from the left, and at this point I’m ready to just let them have their delusions. What are they going to do about it? Implement gun control? Please do
Don’t feel any empathy when Nazis get hunted
When I hear Nazi I think of concentration camps and killing Jews. Kirk was a big supporter of Israel. Does Nazi just mean conservative fascist now? And if so is B. Netanyahu a Nazi? That seems weird.
When I hear Nazi I think of concentration camps and killing Jews. Kirk was a big supporter of Israel.
Well, Israel didn’t exist when the NSDAP did, so if you apply the literal meaning of each, a Nazi couldn’t support Israel. But fascism was also something that only applied to the party in power in Italy from 1922 to 1945. The terms have somewhat evolved since then; fascism generally meaning authoritarian, ultranationalistic and antiliberal. The same applies to nazism, but usually with some racist ideology with hatred for other religions.
Yes Netanyahu is a Nazi
So when does he start exterminating the Jews?
Edit: he literally cant be a nazi. He’s a sionist.
Like the Germans they are starting with the homeless and disabled. In this case the Latino community is being targeted in the same way as the Jewish community was in Germany.
So he’s a sionist then. Not a nazi. Stop throwing words around if you don’t know what they mean.
I don’t know what “sionisom” is but to answer your question. Nazi, is a good way to describe a genocidal facist. The Nazis do appear to have aligned with Zionist in modern times. Nazism and Zionism are very similar because they both have goals to create a white ethnostate. The brand of nazism we are seeing in the United States is targeting and scapegoating (hallmark of Nazism) the homeless, and Latino communities. People are being disappeared off the streets without due process or accountability. In Germany the worst concentration camps were on foreign soil during the holocaust so the United States shipping people to Africa and El Salvador should worry even the most skeptical critic. RFK has talked openly about sending people with mental illness to camps. He also has openly made blanket statements about autistic people not having a life worth living.
Except the word nazi denotes and is defined by the hate of Jews.
You might say that sionists and nazis are similar, but they are categorically different. Or it would be slightly self-destructive as a Jewish state to want to exterminate all Jews, dont you think?
Yes, it is a good way to describe a genocidal facist. The Nazis do appear to have aligned with Zionist in modern times. Nazism and Zionism are very similar because they both have goals to create a white ethnostate. The brand of nazism we are seeing in the United States is targeting and scapegoating (hallmark of Nazism) the homeless, and Latino communities. People are being disappeared off the streets without due process or accountability. In Germany the worst concentration camps were on foreign soil during the holocaust so the United States shipping people to Africa and El Salvador should worry even the most skeptical critic. RFK has talked openly about sending people with mental illness to camps. He also has openly made blanket statements about autistic people not having a life worth living.
Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy.
No really, if he was a nicer guy this probably wouldn’t have happened.
I’m not convinced it did happen. His last words were literally making light of gun violence. If I read this in a book, I’d say it was too on-the-nose
We have no clue how long the shooter was zeroed in. It’s entirely possible they chose the funniest moments to pull the trigger.
It was all set up. The person who asked the question, before the universe just throw a bullet at Charlie Kirk.
The universe didn’t do it. The universe and I were doing a LOTR directors cut marathon all day today.
Shooter was standing there for an hour going
Here’s the frustration and why this should not be celebrated:
Charlie Kirk spent years dehumanizing people, making lives measurably worse, and profiting from hatred. The cosmic irony of him being shot while calling trans people dangerous and minimizing gun violence feels like the universe delivering a punchline he wrote himself. There’s a cathartic release in seeing someone who seemed untouchable suddenly silenced by the very violence he dismissed.
But that catharsis is blinding, vile, and destructive. Every celebration post, every “rest in piss” meme, every “fucked around and found out” joke is already being screenshot and weaponized. The worst people imaginable, those eager to exploit violence, are being handed exactly what they want: supposed proof that “they were right,” justification for crackdowns, and, most dangerously, a martyr whose blood sanctifies every awful thing he stood for.
Celebration may feel like a dunk on fascism, but in reality it accelerates it. It may feel like strength, but it exposes a movement so strategically bankrupt that it mistakes emotional satisfaction for political victory. Kirk alive was one influencer among many; Kirk dead is a rallying cry that will outlive us all.
The rage at what he represented is justified. But celebrating his death guarantees those very ideas will flourish. American democracy is dying, and a gravedigger falling into the hole is no victory when it only deepens the grave.
His ideas needed to be defeated. Instead, they’ve been immortalized.
Ohhh! I love Starship Troopers! The book, not so much, but the movie I adore.
Let’s dig into your choice to respond with this scene.
That’s the moment where Verhoeven shows us ‘Federation Victory’! The good guys have won! They’ve captured the Brain Bug! It’s afraid! Humanity wins!
Except what’s actually happening is fascists celebrating the torture of a sentient being. One that extracted human minds just as they’ll now extract from its mind; each side justifying their horrors by pointing to the other’s. All while convincing themselves they’re heroes.
The Federation doesn’t attempt communication or diplomacy. They literally probe its brain for intel while cheering its terror. The troops cheering ‘It’s afraid!’ aren’t the good guys. They’re Verhoeven’s mirror showing us how righteousness becomes the very tyranny it claims to fight.
NPH’s character literally becomes a full SS-uniformed intelligence officer who feeds his best friends into an endless meat grinder. The bugs were defending their home. The Federation manufactured its own eternal enemy. And everyone cheering becomes complicit in forever war.
You’ve sent me a scene about people so drunk on their enemy’s fear that they can’t see they’ve become the monsters.
So either you’re agreeing that celebrating suffering makes us indistinguishable from what we oppose, or you’ve accidentally proven my point by quoting the villains as heroes.
Either way, I couldn’t have picked a better metaphor myself.
Or I used a well-known movie scene to poke at historically violent people using violence to score political points. Noting hypocrisy in a group is not to stoop to their level.
It appears you do not want to know more.
I get the slightly-downvoted state I found this comment in, but I thought it was a perfect reference.
But that catharsis is blinding, vile, and destructive.
My friend, you’ve got the right stuff. You have a very smooth and relatable style of communication and I really do value when those like you say something that I espouse and would otherwise butcher.
I won’t tell people not to celebrate because I know how disliked that sort of sentiment is on a thread like this. But you’re absolutely right and it sucks. They know that they just hit the “not crying wolf” lottery and will never stop banging that drum.
I’m frightened for whom the bell tolls.
That ‘right stuff’ didn’t work in the 1940s, what makes you think it would work in '25? Do you know what did work in the '40s?
I don’t have the slightest clue what concept you are trying to elicit, but regardless you’re taking my words out of context. It’s in bad faith and I’m not the least bit interested. No thank you.
Political violence is of course bad… but as soon as you call for it, especially indirectly, you deserve whatever comes to you. Stochastic terrorism is still terrorism, and there’s not a lot more American than the fact we don’t negotiate with terrorists.
Yeah, the victim literally called for it. He celebrated it against his enemies, I’m not all that tore up about it
Political violence is bad… But what no one seems to be saying is that it’s a symptom.
You can’t stop it. You can’t take all the guns. You can’t crack down on it.
It’s a sign of where we are as a country right now.
To be fair, using his talking points that made him one of the biggest cunts on the planet as justification to be just like him, its pretty wild. He was cunt, there no doubt about that. But his death brings that question back onto you. Are you going to celebrate the death of a 31 year old man just because you didnt like the dumb shit he said? If the answer is yes, you might not be the good guy you think you are.
I hold people like him personally responsible for the violence against POC’s and trans people. So yeah, I am going to PARTYYYYYYY
The worst thing you can to do an enemy is kill him. The worst thing he can do to you, is have you become just like him. Something to think about… or ignore, if youre already too far gone.
Why are you talking like I killed that motherfucker? What about the killer? What if MAGA destroyed his or her life? They’ve been destroying innocent people’s lives for so many years now. They are denying peoples right to exist, now someone just uno reversed that.
I have no sympathy with the devil. This sends out a good message, they are not safe and can not hide anymore. The list of assholes is veeeeeeery long and I’m really looking forward to the upcoming years.
Im not…? Im talking to you like youre celebrating the death of another human being, like a fucking ghoul. No one is asking you to have sympathy, although maybe taking a look at his young kids and having some wouldnt be the worst thing in the world. The problem is the cheering, the celebrating. Someone was murdered because of their opinions. And you think thats a good thing?
All I keep seeing is people quoting Kirk to make it ok for them to act the same way. How does that make you any better? And how do you think it looks to the rest of the world?
Israel thinks Palestinians should be exterminated. Palestinians are Muslim. Muslims, for the most part, are not LGBT friendly. So are you cheering for every dead Palestinian kid you see? I would not, because you understand in that sense that just because they dont hold the same values, it doesnt mean its ok to exterminate them.
But heres Charlie Kirk, outrageous culture war fuckwit, shot to death. And you, and those like you are breaking out the champaign, like your team just scored a touchdown. How the fuck, can you not all see the extremists that the culture war has turned you all into??? You can see it with them, the right, why cant you see it in yourself? You are cheering for a man who was killed because his opinions on certain issues were different to yours. That should fucking alarm you. Actually think about it. Not who he was, or what he said. But think about the fact someone shot and killed someone else because of their political beliefs. And then ask why you are cheering. And then after all, ask what exactly his kids did to deserve having you, and everyone else, cheer the death of their father. Who, by all accounts, did nothing to them but love them.
If you hate Charlie Kirk, and I do/did, the last fucking thing in the world I would want is to be just like him, and start using his opinions and comments to justify me being a shitty person.
Then dont tell me youre the good guy. Cool?
He wasn’t just spreading shitty opinions, he was spreading hate and fear and creating a dangerous environment for those he didn’t like. He got what he fucking deserved.
And what do you think celebrating his death is doing?
I know you keyboard warriors are dumb as fuck, so Ill just tell you. Youre ramping up the other side of your dumb culture war. Youre spreading hate, and celebrating murder. You are the very thing you hate. You just dont have as many followers. But theres enough of you doing it, that right now there will be a number of unhinged right wingers looking for “payback”. And thats on you, and every single other mouth breather out there cheers for murder.
Wow, so wise. I always wanted to be slowly, yet methodically killed by right wingers without any fight-back.
Yeah, Im sure moaning online is really showing them who’s the boss…
Hoes mad
OK white knight, leave the party if you don’t like it or call the cops whatever.
Its white knighting now, to not celebrate the escalation of the dumb as fuck culture wars into actual murder? OK…
Lmao like they aren’t already cheering about people getting deported. Get fucked.
He was a cunt and bled out like one. Fuck him. Just because he’s dead doesn’t mean he deserves respect. He gets the same respect he gave towards women. Fucking none.
I’m not really celebrating it, but I won’t lose any sleep over it.
Ooo, youre so hard…
He had shitty opinions, we know. I won’t follow them. I will have empathy and I will not celebrate his death. Still, I think the world’s population improved with one less hateful person around.
You can celebrate his death without celebration his murder. I’m not from the us so what I think doesn’t matter, but I think both things can be true “good thing he is dead, his killer should get proper punishment, if everyone takes justice into their own hands we lose every semblance of a functional society”
The more we normalize assassinations, the worse the world becomes. America is slightly more fucked today, not because this guy died, but because extrajudicial assassinations are not cool. This only accelerates the collapse of american society and rule of law.
Some tankies/accelerationists want this, but they are mostly clueless kids.
I’ll respond the same way he would have.
I’d like to ask a general question that I’m not entirely sure I can give enough context for.
When did we as a society start listening so intently to what amounts to barely more than children? This Kirk guy looked chromosomal on top of being barely out of high school, how and why do so many people listen to him?
Half a century ago thought leaders were people like Isaac Asimov or Carl Sagan or Gwynne Dyer or Roy Bonisteel or any number of scholarly people over a certain age.
When did we start caring about high schooler’s opinions on a national level?
The answer is social media. And theres grifters for everyone to latch on to, and get their opinions from.
It seems like the right wing have the market cornered, but thats only because we frequent left leaning social media holes. If you look at the right holes, you’ll see the same insanity going the other way. Unhinged blue hair land whales getting weird as fuck about a hot girl wearing jeans for example. But right now, if you look, what you’ll see an ocean of right wing grifters pointing to social media posts and comments and that are cheering on the death of Kirk. Which if you think about it, its pretty fucking sick. Yeah, he was a cunt. But that doesnt mean we have to be as well.
I mean, if I told you that someone was killed because of their political beliefs, youd think of Lincoln or Kennedy. And then if I told you people were cheering about it, youd think they were sick. But this is somehow worse. Charlie Kirk was killed not for politics, but because of the dumb as fuck culture wars that he took part in. Saying outrageous, bigoted dog shit, and then being celebrated for it by an annoying gaggle of cave brained cunts.
This is why people are celebrating. This weird culture war, that has both sides not seeing human beings anymore. Just talking heads that say things they dont like. The real horror of this is that a human being was murdered, and no one on the left side of the culture war for one second thought of the human being, or the horrific way he died. They just cheered and tapped away keys with satisfying clicky sounds. And worse than that, the cunt is now a martyr to that cause. This will only escalate now. And that, is nothing that anyone should be happy about.
the problem is that he was wrong; Empathy is a good thing. You are embodying his shitty ideology by not having empathy. That doesn’t mean you gotta suddenly like the guy or not call out his shitty ideology, but don’t let yourself get dragged down into the septic tank and get covered in the shit.
I’ll gladly die on this hill, get at me nerds
Some people say empathy, tolerance, & inclusion are strictly moral values. However this misses that they are also a social contract lest we end up in the paradox of tolerance.
Kirk had none for those outside his in-group. Those outside his in-group owe him none in return.
You’re arguing for parochial empathy over real empathy.
He was a force for evil in this world.
Have empathy instead for the victims of the policies he advocated.
Have empathy instead
It might be surprising, but it’s not a limited resource that needs to be spend sparcely. You do not need to make the world worse for those in an other tribe in order to make it better for your own tribe. That false dichotomy - which you and him probably share - is the root of a lot of evil in this world.
it’s not a limited resource that needs to be spend sparcely.
People’s empathy absolutely can get exhausted.
That’s why, for example, I am pissed about the situation in Gaza but I am capable of going to work instead of spending every day sobbing on my couch.
Exactly the opposite. We should have empathy, tolerance, and inclusiveness for all, unless people choose to exclude themselves from that collective. I’m saying those who only have parochial empathy shouldn’t expect to receive empathy from others they’ve already cut themselves off from, and it’s not something those they shut out to be shamed for that they experienced the repercussions of their actions.
You are describing parochial empathy, with the caveat that somehow you think it’s different when you do it.
Hoes mad
You are describing parochial empathy, with the caveat that somehow you think it’s different when you do it.
No parochial empathy is when an in-group only has empathy for the in-group and none for any out-groups.
The resolution to the paradox of tolerance does not require individuals in a group to only experience empathy for other individuals in their group.
Instead members of groups that adhere to the social contract or peace treaty of tolerance all feel empathy for each other.
Only when an individual, individuals, or a group of people break the social contract or peace treaty are they no longer protected by it. Every individual in the groups still being tolerant still feel empathy for each other across group lines.
This is so the groups that practice tolerance can defend themselves from a group that has chosen to be intolerant. Such as the Nazis killing minority groups in WWII.
or a group of people break the social contract
That’s what most here are doing. Should everyone in this group who celebrates breaking of the social contract be fair game for reprisal? You see the issue with this parochial approach to empathy?
You see the issue with this parochial approach to empathy?
Tolerant people in groups whether that is by race, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, or gender are still feeling empathy for tolerant people outside their groups. So people practicing tolerance as a peace treaty are still practicing empathy not parochial empathy.
Do you see the problem with using a straw man to argue? Refuting your argument is trivial.
That’s what most here are doing.
Considering this acts in accordance with self-preservation this is a rational and useful decision to have made.
Should everyone in this group who celebrates breaking of the social contract be fair game for reprisal?
Charlie Kirk and the other fascists he was a mouth piece for have already broken the social contract with their fascist takeover of the United States. This fascists administration goal is to around up minority groups into death camps and a pollute the planet as much as possible with coal powered ‘freedom cities’. The fascist chose to break the peace treaty and so they are no longer protected by it.
The intolerant group has already decided those being tolerant are fair game before this. The fascists already wanted to kill people. We knew this before the election. They were completely open with what they wanted to do. Now tolerant people have to work together with people outside their groups to defend themselves against intolerant fascists. This is a clear cut example of real empathy.
unless people choose to exclude themselves from that collective
He made it very clear he excluded himself from that collective.
In words and actions he did so incredibly clearly.
As are you, right now.
If you can’t tell the difference between someone who says “empathy is bad and no one should have it” and someone who says “I don’t have empathy for this specific person due to their specific actions” then you should not be trying to argue nuance of definitions with anyone.
I’ll gladly die on this hill
Come on now, someone already died
I remember every single time someone they didn’t like died. They would rejoice in the most vile manner imaginable. Fuck them.
I am betting that Kirk’s killer was a fellow conservative who found him too soft and not hard right enough.
Or… maybe it was the same guy who killed Brian Thompson… because Luigi is innocent.
I firmly believe that there are people who make the world better by dying.
The problem with this is that it will be used to increase violence against non-white cis males.
Like that wouldn’t happen without this. This belief that “if we don’t give them an excuse, they won’t make things worse” really needs to die. Fascists will do evil things, regardless of what anybody does.
I keep reading people complaining about how people are taking these quotes out of context.
So went to the source, and I see them in context.They are actually worse in context.
I wonder if we will get a new wave of users as reddit has another ban wave for people laughing at this cunts neck exploding.
Literally me. Been banned there way too many times, and for a lot worse things than what I’ve said here in the past 10 hours.
I’m done with that fucking site. They love censorship.
I made a comment asking where this was when two Democrats were executed in their homes, Trump said it’d be a waste of time to show empathy, etc.
Now they’re calling timeout because they’re the target.
If you shoot politicians and billionaires instead of kids they might finally care about gun violence in the US.
The GOP senators after J6, very briefly, were shook enough to say things that didn’t come directly from the dark money groups with puppet hands up all their asses. That lasted about 12 hours before they got their marching orders.
Meanwhile, teachers across the country were doing the Buster Scruggs meme
