Fight fire with fire. Apparently it’s the only thing conservatives will pay attention to
So many of them are convinced all gun violence is coming from the left, and at this point I’m ready to just let them have their delusions. What are they going to do about it? Implement gun control? Please do
Don’t feel any empathy when Nazis get hunted
When I hear Nazi I think of concentration camps and killing Jews. Kirk was a big supporter of Israel. Does Nazi just mean conservative fascist now? And if so is B. Netanyahu a Nazi? That seems weird.
Yes, it is a good way to describe a genocidal facist. The Nazis do appear to have aligned with Zionist in modern times. Nazism and Zionism are very similar because they both have goals to create a white ethnostate. The brand of nazism we are seeing in the United States is targeting and scapegoating (hallmark of Nazism) the homeless, and Latino communities. People are being disappeared off the streets without due process or accountability. In Germany the worst concentration camps were on foreign soil during the holocaust so the United States shipping people to Africa and El Salvador should worry even the most skeptical critic. RFK has talked openly about sending people with mental illness to camps. He also has openly made blanket statements about autistic people not having a life worth living.
Yes Netanyahu is a Nazi
So when does he start exterminating the Jews?
Edit: he literally cant be a nazi. He’s a sionist.
Like the Germans they are starting with the homeless and disabled. In this case the Latino community is being targeted in the same way as the Jewish community was in Germany.
So he’s a sionist then. Not a nazi. Stop throwing words around if you don’t know what they mean.
I don’t know what “sionisom” is but to answer your question. Nazi, is a good way to describe a genocidal facist. The Nazis do appear to have aligned with Zionist in modern times. Nazism and Zionism are very similar because they both have goals to create a white ethnostate. The brand of nazism we are seeing in the United States is targeting and scapegoating (hallmark of Nazism) the homeless, and Latino communities. People are being disappeared off the streets without due process or accountability. In Germany the worst concentration camps were on foreign soil during the holocaust so the United States shipping people to Africa and El Salvador should worry even the most skeptical critic. RFK has talked openly about sending people with mental illness to camps. He also has openly made blanket statements about autistic people not having a life worth living.
Except the word nazi denotes and is defined by the hate of Jews.
You might say that sionists and nazis are similar, but they are categorically different. Or it would be slightly self-destructive as a Jewish state to want to exterminate all Jews, dont you think?
When I hear Nazi I think of concentration camps and killing Jews. Kirk was a big supporter of Israel.
Well, Israel didn’t exist when the NSDAP did, so if you apply the literal meaning of each, a Nazi couldn’t support Israel. But fascism was also something that only applied to the party in power in Italy from 1922 to 1945. The terms have somewhat evolved since then; fascism generally meaning authoritarian, ultranationalistic and antiliberal. The same applies to nazism, but usually with some racist ideology with hatred for other religions.
the problem is that he was wrong; Empathy is a good thing. You are embodying his shitty ideology by not having empathy. That doesn’t mean you gotta suddenly like the guy or not call out his shitty ideology, but don’t let yourself get dragged down into the septic tank and get covered in the shit.
I’ll gladly die on this hill, get at me nerds
Some people say empathy, tolerance, & inclusion are strictly moral values. However this misses that they are also a social contract lest we end up in the paradox of tolerance.
Kirk had none for those outside his in-group. Those outside his in-group owe him none in return.
You’re arguing for parochial empathy over real empathy.
He was a force for evil in this world.
Have empathy instead for the victims of the policies he advocated.
Have empathy instead
It might be surprising, but it’s not a limited resource that needs to be spend sparcely. You do not need to make the world worse for those in an other tribe in order to make it better for your own tribe. That false dichotomy - which you and him probably share - is the root of a lot of evil in this world.
it’s not a limited resource that needs to be spend sparcely.
People’s empathy absolutely can get exhausted.
That’s why, for example, I am pissed about the situation in Gaza but I am capable of going to work instead of spending every day sobbing on my couch.
Exactly the opposite. We should have empathy, tolerance, and inclusiveness for all, unless people choose to exclude themselves from that collective. I’m saying those who only have parochial empathy shouldn’t expect to receive empathy from others they’ve already cut themselves off from, and it’s not something those they shut out to be shamed for that they experienced the repercussions of their actions.
You are describing parochial empathy, with the caveat that somehow you think it’s different when you do it.
You are describing parochial empathy, with the caveat that somehow you think it’s different when you do it.
No parochial empathy is when an in-group only has empathy for the in-group and none for any out-groups.
The resolution to the paradox of tolerance does not require individuals in a group to only experience empathy for other individuals in their group.
Instead members of groups that adhere to the social contract or peace treaty of tolerance all feel empathy for each other.
Only when an individual, individuals, or a group of people break the social contract or peace treaty are they no longer protected by it. Every individual in the groups still being tolerant still feel empathy for each other across group lines.
This is so the groups that practice tolerance can defend themselves from a group that has chosen to be intolerant. Such as the Nazis killing minority groups in WWII.
or a group of people break the social contract
That’s what most here are doing. Should everyone in this group who celebrates breaking of the social contract be fair game for reprisal? You see the issue with this parochial approach to empathy?
You see the issue with this parochial approach to empathy?
Tolerant people in groups whether that is by race, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, or gender are still feeling empathy for tolerant people outside their groups. So people practicing tolerance as a peace treaty are still practicing empathy not parochial empathy.
Do you see the problem with using a straw man to argue? Refuting your argument is trivial.
That’s what most here are doing.
Considering this acts in accordance with self-preservation this is a rational and useful decision to have made.
Should everyone in this group who celebrates breaking of the social contract be fair game for reprisal?
Charlie Kirk and the other fascists he was a mouth piece for have already broken the social contract with their fascist takeover of the United States. This fascists administration goal is to around up minority groups into death camps and a pollute the planet as much as possible with coal powered ‘freedom cities’. The fascist chose to break the peace treaty and so they are no longer protected by it.
The intolerant group has already decided those being tolerant are fair game before this. The fascists already wanted to kill people. We knew this before the election. They were completely open with what they wanted to do. Now tolerant people have to work together with people outside their groups to defend themselves against intolerant fascists. This is a clear cut example of real empathy.
Hoes mad
unless people choose to exclude themselves from that collective
He made it very clear he excluded himself from that collective.
In words and actions he did so incredibly clearly.
As are you, right now.
If you can’t tell the difference between someone who says “empathy is bad and no one should have it” and someone who says “I don’t have empathy for this specific person due to their specific actions” then you should not be trying to argue nuance of definitions with anyone.
I’ll gladly die on this hill
Come on now, someone already died
I keep reading people complaining about how people are taking these quotes out of context.
So went to the source, and I see them in context.They are actually worse in context.
I hate how some are trying to spin this as “he was killed just for having different opinions” like no, he didn’t just have “different opinions” that’s grossly oversimplifying things, he advocated for the genocide in Gaza, said kids being shot in school is “worth it” because “god given rights” (which version of the Bible had assault rifles in it?) ridiculed disabled people in his circles, and said if his 9 year old daughter got raped he wouldn’t allow her to have an abortion
All while in a position of authority and power with influence over a significant portion of people. How anyone can sympathise for him I don’t know
I dearly regret Charlies tragic passing.
When I initially heard the news I was hoping he was in for a half a century of quadriplegia with destroyed vocal cords.
It’s okay, you can also deeply regret his tragic birth, too.
How anyone can sympathise for him I don’t know
At the end of the day he is a human being, that’s why. I’m not trying to defend the guy, but fundamentally that’s what is supposed to divide the progressives/liberals vs the conservatives. The conservatives don’t care except when it’s their own while the progressives and liberals are supposed to care about all people supposedly.
Maybe it’s time to start fighting fot our liberties, instead of feeling bad for the guys taking them away.
There’s a long list of people taking our liberties away, and the guy who says stupid shit is pretty far down on that list. Words matter, but they’re not violence.
Why do you think the actual white power, right extremists are getting closer and closer to power everywhere? Why is there is a spike in young men leaning right? Because they listen to assholes like this one. Words are very dangerous in the long run.
No, its because they see asshole like you cheering for the murder of people who say dumb shit. How the fuck can you not see your own extremism when its so fucking blatant??? “People who dont agree with me deserve to die!”. That you lot, thats you lot right fucking now.
Jesus christ.
Nah, it’s the same playbook every time. You have dangerous right wing rhetoric justifying violence (as seen in this thread, even by Kirk himself) that leads to political violence and the right is just “this is deserved” (see J6 or the attack on democratic lawmakers), but when it hits themselves, suddenly political violence is the worst and collective pearl-clutching starts. These people have created a dangerous atmosphere that they can’t control and it’s backfiring, there was never an attempt from them to defuse it.
People like Kevin Roberts who threaten revolutions with thinly veiled violence etc… btw my personal theory is that Kirk was shot by a right wing lunatic who was disappointed in Kirk’s 180 on the Epstein files which went from something like “this is the biggest conspiracy in history, never trust the government” to “I trust my friends in the government” over a weekend. They have created an atmosphere of “you need to fight those in power by any means necessary” and now they find themselves in an awkward spot.
Anyhow, everybody in the thread you replied to just did what Kirk ask them to. Not show empathy, not let the victims emotionally hijack the narrative. He made the world a worse place, I don’t know if it’s gonna be better without him but I have no reason to believe otherwise.
“Everybody in the thread just did what Kirk asked them to…” And you dont see the problem there?
As for the world being a better place… I highly doubt it, since hes now going to be a rallying cry for action against “the left”. Hes a martyr now, a symbol that right wing lunatics while cling to as they march down the streets demanding Trans people are butchered, immigrants, legal and otherwise, are shot in the streets. “We need you, Trump, to do a third term. Its a civil war out here, dont you know?” will be next.
Shooting people is never, ever, your first resort in silencing a voice. Facts and words are. Violence only ever causes more violence. Someone out there today, he never hurt anyone, is going to pay the price for what happened to Kirk. You know its true. You all do. Yet youre all still all over social media happy, and cheering, and back slapping.
In the famous of words of John Wick… “Consequences.”
Well, that was just a necessary cost of preserving the second amendment 🤷♀️
So, youre the same kind of cunt he is? And youre good with that? I dont know, I would have thought seeing how much of a prick he was would put you off being one, but here you are, repeating his talking points like a fucking ghoul…
I feel bad for this guys family but becoming your own meme for getting assassinated is crazy. This whole thing has been insane.
I dont feel bad for his family.
I feel bad for his kids. They didn’t choose to have a piece of shit for a father.
Yeah. Nobody should have to watch their parent or child die. Guy was a waste of oxygen but I hope the kids get plenty of therapy.
Moving forward may the world be a slightly better place, where these conservative grifters are tempered slightly by the fear they might end up like Charlie here.
Yeah, thats whats going to happen. Not that the unhinged right wing fuckwits use him as martyr, and saddle up for some weird fucking payback.
The way to defeat Kirk was with words and facts. A bullet does nothing but make his voice louder. If it was some left wing culture war weirdo, all they did was make him immortal. Yay…
“The way to defeat Kirk was with words and facts.”
And you scoff like my statement was outlandish.
My gut feeling is this isn’t going to be as impactful as people are saying. I remember the media buzz after Trump was almost waxed and we didn’t see any (noteworthy) reprisals.
Depends. Jan 6th saw some pretty unhinged people get together with guns and zip ties. It wouldnt take much, for that to have gone a whole lot worse. And now we are seeing right leaders and influencers all over the world mark this as a call for violence against the left. I have a feeling that somebody, somewhere, who has no connection to whats happened, pay the price for whats happened to Kirk.
If nothing else, he’ll become a martyr. And that might be the worst thing of all.
I wonder if we will get a new wave of users as reddit has another ban wave for people laughing at this cunts neck exploding.
Literally me. Been banned there way too many times, and for a lot worse things than what I’ve said here in the past 10 hours.
I’m done with that fucking site. They love censorship.
I made a comment asking where this was when two Democrats were executed in their homes, Trump said it’d be a waste of time to show empathy, etc.
Now they’re calling timeout because they’re the target.
If you shoot politicians and billionaires instead of kids they might finally care about gun violence in the US.
The GOP senators after J6, very briefly, were shook enough to say things that didn’t come directly from the dark money groups with puppet hands up all their asses. That lasted about 12 hours before they got their marching orders.
Meanwhile, teachers across the country were doing the Buster Scruggs meme
I’ll respond the same way he would have.
To be fair, using his talking points that made him one of the biggest cunts on the planet as justification to be just like him, its pretty wild. He was cunt, there no doubt about that. But his death brings that question back onto you. Are you going to celebrate the death of a 31 year old man just because you didnt like the dumb shit he said? If the answer is yes, you might not be the good guy you think you are.
He wasn’t just spreading shitty opinions, he was spreading hate and fear and creating a dangerous environment for those he didn’t like. He got what he fucking deserved.
And what do you think celebrating his death is doing?
I know you keyboard warriors are dumb as fuck, so Ill just tell you. Youre ramping up the other side of your dumb culture war. Youre spreading hate, and celebrating murder. You are the very thing you hate. You just dont have as many followers. But theres enough of you doing it, that right now there will be a number of unhinged right wingers looking for “payback”. And thats on you, and every single other mouth breather out there cheers for murder.
OK white knight, leave the party if you don’t like it or call the cops whatever.
Its white knighting now, to not celebrate the escalation of the dumb as fuck culture wars into actual murder? OK…
Hoes mad
Lmao like they aren’t already cheering about people getting deported. Get fucked.
He was a cunt and bled out like one. Fuck him. Just because he’s dead doesn’t mean he deserves respect. He gets the same respect he gave towards women. Fucking none.
I’m not really celebrating it, but I won’t lose any sleep over it.
Ooo, youre so hard…
Wow, so wise. I always wanted to be slowly, yet methodically killed by right wingers without any fight-back.
Yeah, Im sure moaning online is really showing them who’s the boss…
I hold people like him personally responsible for the violence against POC’s and trans people. So yeah, I am going to PARTYYYYYYY
The worst thing you can to do an enemy is kill him. The worst thing he can do to you, is have you become just like him. Something to think about… or ignore, if youre already too far gone.
Why are you talking like I killed that motherfucker? What about the killer? What if MAGA destroyed his or her life? They’ve been destroying innocent people’s lives for so many years now. They are denying peoples right to exist, now someone just uno reversed that.
I have no sympathy with the devil. This sends out a good message, they are not safe and can not hide anymore. The list of assholes is veeeeeeery long and I’m really looking forward to the upcoming years.
Im not…? Im talking to you like youre celebrating the death of another human being, like a fucking ghoul. No one is asking you to have sympathy, although maybe taking a look at his young kids and having some wouldnt be the worst thing in the world. The problem is the cheering, the celebrating. Someone was murdered because of their opinions. And you think thats a good thing?
All I keep seeing is people quoting Kirk to make it ok for them to act the same way. How does that make you any better? And how do you think it looks to the rest of the world?
Israel thinks Palestinians should be exterminated. Palestinians are Muslim. Muslims, for the most part, are not LGBT friendly. So are you cheering for every dead Palestinian kid you see? I would not, because you understand in that sense that just because they dont hold the same values, it doesnt mean its ok to exterminate them.
But heres Charlie Kirk, outrageous culture war fuckwit, shot to death. And you, and those like you are breaking out the champaign, like your team just scored a touchdown. How the fuck, can you not all see the extremists that the culture war has turned you all into??? You can see it with them, the right, why cant you see it in yourself? You are cheering for a man who was killed because his opinions on certain issues were different to yours. That should fucking alarm you. Actually think about it. Not who he was, or what he said. But think about the fact someone shot and killed someone else because of their political beliefs. And then ask why you are cheering. And then after all, ask what exactly his kids did to deserve having you, and everyone else, cheer the death of their father. Who, by all accounts, did nothing to them but love them.
If you hate Charlie Kirk, and I do/did, the last fucking thing in the world I would want is to be just like him, and start using his opinions and comments to justify me being a shitty person.
Then dont tell me youre the good guy. Cool?
His last words
He was asked how many shooters were trans in the last 10 years and replied “Too many”
He was corrected, the number is 5.
He was then asked how many shootings happened in these years (there were 5700)
He asked back: “Counting or not counting gang violence?” and got shot
He was engaging in hate-mongering right until the end. Just like the Nazi propagandists of the WW2 era, he was spreading a message of a demonized minority group being responsible for countless crimes and social ills. He ran literally the exact same playbook against trans people as the Nazis did against Jews.
I have no more sympathy for him than the Nazi propagandists we hanged at Nuremberg. They’re guilty of the exact same crimes against humanity.
“Gang violence” = racist dog whistle. The assassin couldn’t have picked a more perfect time to fire. 😂
I mean, most gang activity comes from young black men, but that does not mean it’s racist to talk about it. I think talking about whether to include or exclude “gang violence” from a conversation about mass shootings is appropriate and not offensive in the slightest.
a dog whistle has nothing to do with the facts but a shared agreement between people in the know as to its hidden meaning.
I understand that. I’m saying that there is no hidden meaning. Gang violence is understood on its face by everyone.
unless you use it as a overgeneral brush, and fill it with only minorities, and use it as a short hand for black people like it’s used in this context. are you a native english speaker?
dog whistles specifically use words with a cover meaning and the group agrees to internally change its meaning.
He didn’t use “gang violence” as short hand for “black violence.” That wouldn’t make sense in the context of mass shootings. He said “Counting or not counting gang violence?” more as a shorthand for “Are we counting criminals killing each other?” Whether it’s hispanic, white, or black gangs isn’t very relevant.
Gangs contribute to the majority of designated “mass shootings,” and are often excluded from conversations that want to focus on innocent victims of mass shooting as opposed to cases of criminals killing each other. After all, if all mass shootings were just gangsters shooting each other, people wouldn’t care nearly as much as they do now. They care about the mass shootings that don’t involve gangs.
EDIT: Seems like many sources explicitly exclude gang violence in their stats. So my statement may be incorrect that gangs contribute to “designated” mass shootings as they are not designation such by many sources.
That’s why you just had to go out of your way to point out that gang activity comes from people of color. Not to mention lecturing to people of color about what YOU don’t find offensive. 😂 Thank you for your contribution, goodbye. 🙂
“That’s racist.”
“It may involve a race, but it’s not racist.”
“That’s why you said it involved that race!”
Bizarre logic.
Offensive was the wrong word. I meant that it’s not racist. It’s unhealthy that one would be offended by acknowledging the existence of gang violence.
His last word was “violence”.
If violence isn’t working, you’re not using enough violence.
shot; dies
Narrator:
the violence worked.
This is the best use of this meme I’ve ever seen, bar none.
Make Fascists Afraid Again.
A sniper with an innate sense of comedic timing?
Maybe he was waiting for Chuck to say a number. But chuck was too slippery. One last owning of the libs, right before he was triggered. At least you know he died doing that thing where he opens his mouth and just kind of shows his gums with glee
I’m guessing shooting at any other point would produce similar results.
Yeah, nearly every sentence he uttered could have ended with a bang. 💥
He was like a fascist Wile E Coyote.
Does anyone have video of this? (This conversation, not the shooty part) All the news media are quoting this while referring to a video but not showing it.
I watched the close up video and didn’t find it traumatic especially given all what has been happening in gaza and Ukraine, not to mention the children being shot in schools
I had the same experience. It’s regrettable how desensitized to violence I am these days.
I would actually like to know what he was leading to with that question. Is the implication that gangs have an overrepresentation of trans people? Or that gang violence doesn’t count for some reason?
I guess we’ll never know.
Pointing out that gangs do a lot of violence is an attempt to shift blame onto the demographic groups which are overrepresented in gangs due to socioeconomic reasons (systemic racism).
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It’s a deflection technique. The intention was to not answer or address the question at all, but to shift to another topic he could more easily use to manipulate his audience. If you’ve ever watched him “debate” he was a master of deflection.
he was a master of deflection.
With words, maybe. With lead, evidently not.
I always said “You can tell when Charlie Kirk is arguing in bad faith by when his lips are moving and sounds are coming out.”
And it was literally the last thing he ever did.
The world is just a little better today.
Overall it still sucks, but it’s nice to know good things still happen once in a while.
He had shitty opinions, we know. I won’t follow them. I will have empathy and I will not celebrate his death. Still, I think the world’s population improved with one less hateful person around.
You can celebrate his death without celebration his murder. I’m not from the us so what I think doesn’t matter, but I think both things can be true “good thing he is dead, his killer should get proper punishment, if everyone takes justice into their own hands we lose every semblance of a functional society”
The more we normalize assassinations, the worse the world becomes. America is slightly more fucked today, not because this guy died, but because extrajudicial assassinations are not cool. This only accelerates the collapse of american society and rule of law.
Some tankies/accelerationists want this, but they are mostly clueless kids.
Political violence is of course bad… but as soon as you call for it, especially indirectly, you deserve whatever comes to you. Stochastic terrorism is still terrorism, and there’s not a lot more American than the fact we don’t negotiate with terrorists.
Yeah, the victim literally called for it. He celebrated it against his enemies, I’m not all that tore up about it
Political violence is bad… But what no one seems to be saying is that it’s a symptom.
You can’t stop it. You can’t take all the guns. You can’t crack down on it.
It’s a sign of where we are as a country right now.
