• some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world
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    1 month ago

    This is the second time I’ve come across this story.

    If you look closely, random people are not being taken aside for being seen with a Pixel as the headline would have you believe.

    What is true is that Graphene OS on a Pixel is a popular, easy setup that can’t be cracked open with Cellebrite et al., and that makes the piggies very sad. Methinks someone wants readers to fear using Graphene OS.

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      Also, Graphene has that duress mode, you set a pin/password that when entered locks out storage, does a wipe, while leaving grapheneOS in place. It seems US citizens maybe needing this in the future.

      • If autocrats manage to fully take over, they’ll just enact a policy that assumes you’re guilty of the charges if the phone, for whatever reason, gets wiped (especially after entering a code you provided). Your “right to silence” isn’t gonna last forever.

        You can’t fix an abuse of power issue with a technological solution, its only a bandaid, and it will stop working when blood keeps gushing out (aka: the instutions of democracy starts to completely fall apart)

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          It needs to be a smarter mode where it only removes specified content (apps, browser history, and saved passwords maybe), so that the phone looks plausibly used when it unlocks.

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      Where can I find these hacktools ? I have a whole damn bunch of android 9 phones I can’t root because their bootloaders are non-unlockable and that pisses me off.

      Back in my day, hackers would just publish that shit in 2600 zine, now they’re all corporate sellouts selling on 0day to the fucking fed.

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        Grapheneos is only installable on unlocked phones. Specifically pixels. There is a complete list on their site

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        I doubt these tools would help you. They are primarily for pulling data off devices, spying on them, or controlling them.

        Even if you could buy them as a private individual you wouldn’t want to pay that cost. There might be pirated versions, but most who have use of these tools have no interest in pirated software.

        There are extremely skilled people who make a living finding vulnerabilities, so there’s not a lot of low-hanging fruit left and those who find serious vulnerabilities have generally worked hard to do so.

        When a single exploit can pay enough that you could pay off all your loans, buy a house, or not have to work again for years, or maybe ever. Why would you go through all the trouble of finding it to release it publicly and get nothing? Especially when it’s going to be used by these shady companies either way.

        I’m not saying exploit selling is morally right, it certainly isn’t, but if I was offered millions of dollars to do the wrong thing, I’m not sure I would turn that down.

        • Cevilia (she/they/…)@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          I’m a bit of a luddite in that respect, I don’t trust apps for anything that important. I know, it’s probably fine, and I probably should, but I don’t. Just one of my weird hangups I guess.

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            You aren’t alone. I also refuse to install apps like that. I also really hate it when companies don’t have the option to not store my card or personal information.

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            I’m similar but I don’t like the idea of someone swiping my phone and maybe being able to get into my payment apps so while I use online banking, I don’t let it save my login information. Is kind of a birch to have to log in everytime, but makes me feel safer

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          Big false, most work just fine. They do often require the play store and services to work. Need to use the sandboxed Google services.

          So, if you’re trying to de Google, ya, banking apps won’t work, but if you’re okay with just increased control and privacy, in you’re fine.

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    Unless there is a verified source it’s FUD and it’s actually not helpful for freedom and privacy.

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    What do you think about the fact that Google Pixel phones are being confiscated in Spain if they have GrapheneOS installed?

    I think that’s fucking wild, is what I think.

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    Headline is not true.

    A police spokesperson from one Spanish region told that they suspect of people carrying google pixel phones because they are commonly used by drug dealers with GOS installed. It was made more as a comment than as a serious threat.

    I have heard nothing about any actual confiscation based on phone OS being made.

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    One thing is certain:
    The day the related news story got viral, champagne corks must have been flying in the marketing department at GrapheneOS…

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    So if we don’t want Google monitoring our stuff we are going to be considered criminals, fuck this world is going south. I wanted to find an alternative OS with this bologna about side loading apps coming forth with Android but I haven’t figured out what kind of phone yet. If this spreads I guess Pixel won’t be the option

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      Pixel’s aven’t the first choice for custom ROMs any more anyway, as Google recently has stopped making the device trees public for developers.
      So say hello to Fairphone and similar companies, that are still caring about openess!

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          If you need GrapheneOS, that is right.
          But if LineageOS or eOS is sufficient for you, Fairphones are a solid option with long term support.

          And in the long run, GrapheneOS might also have to look for other options, as the good developer support for new Pixel devices will not be given any more.

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        Are the fair phones working on cellular bands in the U.S.? I was hoping at this point someone just launches a small handheld gaming device I can install a Linux distro on that I can put a sim card in/esim but I haven’t seen any hit the market. I figure maybe even just have a flip phone and forward the number to VoIP on the handheld.

        The Steam deck is to big to carry, and isn’t a mobile device in my opinion because it can’t work soon as you walk out your front door, it is just a cordless device in my opinion. The GPD 4 is a bit big as well, and still isnt mobile.

        If someone launches a $500-$800 handheld that maybe flips like a 3DS size and is mobile I’m sold lol (Steam deck Mobile Mini)

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    Nothing less to expect from a neo-fascist country like Spain, tbh. They also deny Cataluña the right of cultural self-determination, to the point of not even being able to use signage in their own language.

    Oh btw: Proton collaborates with them.

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      Let’s dissolve the Spanish state, let’s convince spaniards they’re just a language not a country, and that the Spanish state is just another brainhacking egregore they need to purge themselves from, maybe kick out Europe too, also buy nuclear bombs ASAP.

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        Let’s convince Catalunians that they’re not even a language and that the occupation started by the fascist Franco regime should be continued indefinitely without them having any say in the matter.

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      I propose you found your own little separatist movement wherever you’re living and see how your government will react once it gets a little traction. But don’t tell anybody I gave you the idea…