after 15 years, iOS has finally caught up with all the main android features, such as
- very mid ui design
- kinda floaty feeling
- unpolished vibe android itself has progressed little, although it is rapidly achieving feature parity with iOS on “locked down user hostility”. overall both ecosystems look very appealing, energetic, and healthy, for shareholders
I haven’t used an iPhone since the first one, can anyone confirm if file navigation in iPhone has reached the fever dream abomination of file navigation, management and search that Android has achieved?
iOS still doesn’t allow multi-window and pop up app view or even the latest bubble apps on Android unless you pay for the iPhone Duo or get an iPad.
No IOS third-party app store either in Canada.
Sorry, but fuck Apple back to the depths of hell in which it came 🤬. But honestly, I think they build decent hardware but absolute can’t stand the OS.
I’m done with android (And surely never touched crapple to begin with).
I watched it slowly become “the cheaper iOS” and Samsung becoming “the android of apple”.
But the recent final proverbial nail was their most recent lockdown. Fuck you google. Fuck you since you dropped “don’t be evil” to become Satan itself. At least apple never tried to appear “open”.
Doesn’t it just need a 24 hour wait to unlock sideloading?
“just”. If you have no problem with being treated like a child, on your own device, then yes. “Just 24hrs”. And btw…that’s 24hrs, FOR NOW. Testing if the resistance is even worth considering (which it won’t be).
They’re boiling the android frog until it is no better than apple. Sailfish and Postmarket is the future.
And how long before they remove that do you think?
I prefer Android’s UI design, and it feels pretty polished to me. I’m not sure what they mean by “floaty feeling” though.
Fully agree on the recent user / dev locked down hostility.
Remember to https://keepandroidopen.org/!
We need a co-oprerative phone company and we need one asap!
We already have phone companies that sell phones with alternative operating systems and not enough people buy them to break the duopoly.
Shittest thing about Android phones are all those third party apps, which you can’t even remove (looking at especially you, Samsung) Facebook, and so on. Unbelievable amount of bloat ware with almost every manufacturer. I would like to have Samsung, but I just can’t stand its UI and those apps.
Crazy how they even let other manufacturers modify base Android. Even the settings menus are all over the place. Searching for specific settings is basically impossible if you’re not on a Pixel or something.
Don’t even get me started on the dev side of things. Makes Windows habit of stacking 30 years of shit look like paradise.
Yes and you have to make Google account, Samsung account and what else before you can use all the features. It’s was totally mess, when I last had Samsung. Their hardware is very nice, though.
This isn’t the case on their flagships in the EU (not sure which is the reason).
I have never had Facebook or other crap preinstalled since my Samsung Note 10.
That said, samsung best be avoided anyway.likely there are still some system apps that are literal bloatware. if you have f-droid you can check the debloater list in this app, has descriptions on most of them.
https://f-droid.org/packages/io.github.muntashirakon.AppManager
be very careful if you are going to remove some. the descriptions are not always up to date
There’s a program called universal android debloater which let’s you delete pretty much anything you want. I’ve used it and it’s like a miracle.
Still once you get to that stage it’s so much more tempting to skip that and get busy on trying to get postmarketOS going or something.
Context for the non-Norwegians: https://www.forbrukerradet.no/breakingfree/
Honestly think this commercial is just as, if not more known outside of Norway, but nice call out non-the-less!
IOS is soon to recognize that data can be stored in these things called “files” that are located in what’s called a “folder” and maybe the user can even decide where on this thing called a “hard drive” these “files” and “folders” are located instead of typing into a random search bar.
They do actually have a pretty decent file manager. Unsurprisingly you can’t access system files, at least as far as I know. It’s not nearly as robust as what you can do on android, but it is easy to use.
Why you trying to stop the circle jerk with pesky facts? Shame on you
I get unbelievably angry using an iPad now. They’ve completely fucked up the file system and its impossible to know where anything is. By design. I hate modern computing so much.
It’s always been like that. I had one of the first ipads as part of a trial to see if they were useful for grading papers in grad school. No. It was completely fucking useless because the only way to open files for editing was through sixteen shitty cloud services that each app wanted you to use. There was no way to just download files, edit them, and then put them back on blackboard like a normal fucking computer. The whole ordeal actually made me angry.
Basically the only apple mobile device I actually used was a gen 1 iPod touch I instantly jailbroke so I’m not super familiar. I use a Mac mini only for music but osx is getting so shitty now I’m wanting to change again or go back to 10.5 lol.
Got a powermac g4 cuz I wanted one again (and it came with a CRT monitor I wanted) and I was blown away how smooth it runs with 512 mb of ram. We have truly gone downhill a long fucking way in 20 years. I remember when I was optimistic about tech.
they made it so u need to ask siri to get it i bet. LMAO ai slop and hallucinations will just bring you the wrong file XD
Fucking idiotic.
Imagine being a kid growing up today with this type of computing. Its zero surprise so many kids are absolute dolts.
Not to “My generation good other generations bad,” but Millennials and Gen X really grew up with technology as it was becoming impressively capable, but required a lot of technical know-how to use. It’s really apparent in the workplace: our fresh-out-of-college guys and ready-for-retirement guys alike come to people around my age when stuff isn’t working. Everything’s too easy now, and it’s hard to look under the hood. (Of course, there are still exceptions for enthusiasts, but you’re never forced to tinker with a raspberry pi.)
Totally. Thank goodness I wasnt born any later. If anything I’d wish earlier !
Its scary watching clueless parents give their children full reign of iPads and the corpo net. There aren’t enough tech literate parents out there to train kids how it all really works, and we know schools sure as heck aren’t. I am almost positive we will see the most ignorant generation since the boomers now. I fear for my future medical needs to be taken care of by Hunter who grew up with YouTube kids and only used the gibbity from age 4 and up.
As someone in a different professional environment I will tell you that Hunter will get fired and you will be served by geriatric gen x and then millenials until we figure out how to keep people from being so incredibly stupid that they can’t perform basic tasks, much less practice medicine or law or engineering
you will be served by geriatric gen x and then millenials
Is it because they are more knowledgeable or just too poor to retire?
Oh good
Folders? What’s that normie tech illiterate win95 nonsense? My device has directories, tyvm.
My sister made some photos for me with her iPad recently. I told her to sent me the photos but she just didn’t know where they were. She could access them with some photo apps but the file system was completely obfuscated. She looked to me because I am the tech guy in our family but I had no idea.
When I used iOS last, a few years ago, photos were not considered files. (Yep… let that thought digest for a bit). This made things like SyncThing/Mobius useless. IIRC photos were managed through some separate API for “security reasons”.
To access photos on a connected iDevice from a Linux machine, you need iFuse, and even then, iOS presents you all images at once. So your photos, received photos, downloads, screenshots, are all in one big pile. Have fun. Oh, but they are split into folders. By number.
iT jUsT wOrKs
Made some photos or took some photos? If she just took photos they’re just in the photos app. But if she made something like with procreate or something then there’s just a normal file system you can access with the Files app. It’s all Unix under the hood, you can even install terminals and navigate around.
See there’s your problem, you need to squeeze the yellow testicle two times then spit on the baby chicken and yell “Hooty Hoo” and the files are right there. It will all make sense once you get used to it.
What are you talking about? You literally need to click a single “share” button. I honestly don’t understand how anyone remotely tech related could struggle with this.
You didn’t explain to me where the file is, you explained how to share one file. Some people like to do this thing with files called ORGANIZE them. Like how back in the day there used to be paper files, in paper folders, in a metal cabinet. That way you can easily find a specific file AND you can transfer the folder with all the organization intact or transfer a whole cabinet, even to a non-apple machine. I want my file system to be brand agnostic. I don’t want to have to learn a new UI every 5 years to figure out how to organize things. I don’t want to boot up my circa 2005 macbook pro (assuming it still works) and not have any idea how to find all my old media. Directories were invented in 1983 and work just fine, always have, always will.
They are already organized in the photos app. If you don’t like the photos app and how it organizes then you’re free to use a different one. Each app gets its own file system sandbox so if you wanted a simple folder structure that you manually manage, there is no technical reason that isn’t possible on iOS. I’ve personally never looked at other photos apps so I can’t recommend one.
Each app gets its own file system sandbox
Noice. Is this sandbox accessible (for reading at least) by any other app, including file managers and terminal emulators?
And while we are at it: are the paths to different sandboxes organized in a consistent way?
It was a Document scanning app. We didn’t bother, she found them at home and sent me a USB stick. It’s true though that I saw this behavior on some Android founds too, where there was only the system file explorer available.
If she just took photos they’re just in the photos app.
That makes not a lot of sense to me tbh
Why does that not make sense? Photos are in the photos app.
It doesn’t make sense to you that photos are in the photos app?
The photos app should of cause be a way to view the photos, but ultimately I expect to access them via the file system.
Then use a different photos app that supports that?
No one is forcing you to use the default app.
Ah yes, I love when i am considered the tech guy and everyone just turn to me when something on their device does not work, especially when it’s made by apple or is a printer…
hard drive
Are you talking about pre-2013 Macs now?
They’ve had a file and download manager for a while now, not a bad experience
Yeah, let’s just ignore facts and pretend iOS doesn’t already have this.
Last time I tried using an iPad I had all sorts of trouble getting access to files on my media server. That was like 10 years ago but still not going back based off that experience. Fuck apple.
Seems like you were one year early. Files app was released in 2017. 9 years ago.
Before that you pretty much had to use iTunes to transfer stuff. Now you can just plug in USB and see all the data from files app.
You were able to use a usb and file transfer to a computer from dcim for many years before this. It was separated by folders based on the month the photo was taken.
Kinda hilarious how out of touch most are in this thread. But it’s expected here.
Yeah I recall that, I think I was able to purchase some app to do it wirelessly but the whole process was irritating AF. When I got ahold of an android tablet I was able to set up everything I wanted to do in like 15 minutes.
You’re quite the madlad aren’t ya?
They’ve had for a couple years
Their biggest selling point is regulated app stores…
Completely ignoring the obvious downsides of letting private for profit corporations regulate marketplaces while facing no regulations themselves.
It’s shit the government should be doing
They’re really astroturfing youtube ads right now (I know, ick, youtube, and I should use plugins; I normally don’t use it at all but lately I’ve had a couple songs I’ve been listening too on repeat. I should just download them).
Like, almost every fucking ad is “some apps are traps, can you spot the trap” with these stupid cartoony characters representing apps and suddenly one (at random, with no rhyme or reason) blows up and the narrator says “google play can.”
Like fuck off, google play says whatever they want to say is a trap is a trap. Meanwhile they allow all these predatory BS apps on their store. They’ll let you fall for the traps they approve of. And they won’t even show you what country an app developer is based in until after you download it.
But they’re trying to give people this false sense of security like “oh, I can trust anything on the play store” while also making them suspicious/hesitant to use any alternative app repos. It’s clearly an attempt to manufacture consent for their ecosystem lockdown, and unfortunately it will probably work. They’re targeting easily-influenced young people with these supposedly “cute” (yet honestly kinda gross) characters.
Their biggest selling point is regulated app stores…
sound of jail bars crashing shut as Android cuts all the indie developers out of the market
It’s shit the government should be doing
The joke of it all is that government does do stuff. But it’s mostly to cement the existing duopoly.
Government contractors dump hundreds of billions of dollars into licensing for the dominant OS. Government regulators are fully captured by industry lobbyists, building their rules around policies the businesses have decided on internally. Policing agencies focus almost entirely on small fish, foreign developers, and whistleblowers. Courts use a one-size-fits-all financial punishment guidance, which can easily bankrupt a small business but is barely more than a speedbump for mega-corporations.
Nobody seriously talks about Breaking Up The Tech Companies via Antitrust Laws. Nobody talks about making Open-Source Code more regulatory friendly or investing more public dollars in Open-Source development / deployments. We can’t even seriously talk about insourcing chip production or building out competitors to Intel and TSMC.
The Big Lie of modern left/right political discourse is that American political institutions are doing Too Much or Not Enough. The bitter truth is that if you’re any kind of threat to the domestic business cartels… well… just ask TikTok what happens next.
Software repositories are already perfect!
All the regulation they do such as age verification is mandated by governments.
Their biggest selling point is regulated app stores…
Meaning it’s not Wild West, apps need to be approved to be listed and consumers are generally able to trust what they install.
That is becoming less true due people being entrenched in one ecosystem or the other.
That is regulating a market…
Fixing it via regulation would require accountability and transpency. To sell on a goveerenment marketplace app developers would need an actual real life human to put their name on a line saying they’re responsible if the app turns out to be malware.
Like, there’s regulations for products already, you can’t sell fire extinguishers to people that are filled with gasoline. You shouldn’t be able to offer an app that will steal your identity or creditionals to other apps/sites.
Like, youre acting like words only mean one thing bro, you need to open your eyes and don’t just always assume everything is what you first assume.
You can already write a desktop app to do all that malware stuff. Why give the phones and tablets special treatment?
Personally I like the iPhone and the App Store for the reason that it does go through some basic checks.
But as a dev, sometimes I just want to run my own shit on my own phone without hassle. (Yes I know there is dev mode. I don’t want to constantly run my main phone in dev mode just so I can run my own apps.)
You can already write a desktop app to do all that malware stuff.
And if you sold it thru a regulated marketplace, you could be held responsible…
Why give the phones and tablets special treatment?
They shouldn’t…
If I said habitual drunk drivers shouldn’t be able to have a driver’s license, what you just did is like asking why someone who does 2 grams of Fentanyl everyday should be able to keep theirs…
I understand what you’re saying, and I agree…
I just don’t know why you assumed I wouldn’t agree bud
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Yes…
It was an exaggeration for effect, highlighting how while malware apps were a problem, desktop programs containing malware were even worse…
So obviously we wouldn’t just look at one slice of the pie.
We’d start regulating all digital products and holding people accountable.
I mean shit man, I started out with:
you can’t sell fire extinguishers to people that are filled with gasoline.
Obviously no one is doing that either, but selling fire extinguishers you know don’t work still isn’t allowed. Consumers need a regulated market or else they won’t spend because they think they’ll always be ripped off. We’re already seeing it to some extent.
Haha, yeah, sorry. I’ll delete this. I don’t know why I’m like this.
WTAF are:
very mid ui design
kinda floaty feeling
unpolished vibesupposed to mean?
From the perspective of a longtime hater of both iOS and Android:
- very mid UI design:
I can’t press everything with one hand because the phone is too big (iOS “caught up“ to this a looong time ago with the iPhone 6)
- kinda floaty feeling
The idea was that it would be customizable, the end result is that none of the menus feel “permanent.” As iOS has gotten more customizable, it now has this “feature” too.
- unpolished vibe
iOS used to feel like it had very centralized design. Android was basically a bunch of different “Androids” doing a bunch of different stuff. Nowadays, iOS feels like it lacks focus as well.
I mean do you just have baby hands? I don’t have the biggest hands and I have no problem using one hand even on a pro max. My wife uses her smaller sized pro one handed just fine.
I’ve been an android user since I started using smart phones in the late 2000s. Android IMO has always been more user friendly and allowing someone to create their own “desktop” so to speak. Meanwhile Apple was always the “I don’t like technology” phone. There was no customization, the “desktop” was just the Android app page and nothing else. Nothing could be unique to you outside of a wallpaper or a ringtone. Anyone with an iPhone just had an iPhone. It was the same thing. But someone with the same android phone could have different app placements, widgets here or there, and felt different even if it was the same phone.
Apologies for the rant, I am stoned as fuck and I ramble (And have a new keyboard I am trying to break in)
… But what has Apple “caught up to” all the “main android features”?
My first android was an alcatel with android 3. I loved it, but it was quite bad in many ways, even for the time. It took android a long time to mature.
Let’s hope mobile Linux won’t take as long.I truly believe people should be able to change every little minor UI feature on their pc/phone/whatever if they want to. But I also believe that if they do, they’re a fucking dork.
if I’m gonna use the same phone for years, I’ll take a couple days to perfect how i want it to look, Android makes that easy
So you think someone is a dork because they make a device they use every day easier to use uniquely for them? So I’m a dork because I have two weather widgets on my phone for hourly updates, and one for radar because I work outside? Or that I have a clock that shows my local time in Canada as well as the time in Zagreb, Croatia because my girlfriend lives there?
Is someone a dork who installs a new version of Windows who installs their games or makes folders for their finances add to the main wallpaper so they have easier access to their games or the folders for their finances?
Every phone has widgets. That’s not customizing a UI element. If you change the colors and fonts of everything, if you have an opinion on the minimize animation, if you spend more time ricing your machine than using it, you’re a dork.
Just to clarify: Android had widgets from the very beginning. iOS got widgets in version 14.
Ability to change colors and fonts are accessibility features, animation can be distracting and frustratingly long, what’s dorky about trying to change the behaviour of device instead of changing yourself to meet some dorks expectations on how things should look and feel?
If you honestly believe I’m talking about people with legitimate reasons to change these things then you’re an even bigger dork.
Every reason is a legitimate one.
Think the word you’re looking for is geek.
No, geeks can be cool. These people are dorks.
✨ Vibe criticism
can we find a way to unlock boot loaders hacks and flashing whatever is in there device and install linux os for phones already??? PLEASE we need to start canceling the top fang stonks. and also making locked boot loaders by all carriers illegal by default and sim locks too.
Sorry, having unlocked bootloaders is unsafe for the children or whatever. Best we can do is mandatory OS and age verification every 45 seconds. Please do not resist.
IT’S FOR THE CHILDREN! YOU DON’T WANT TO PROTECT THE CHILDREN? VERY SUSPICIOUS!!!
Please submit a picture of your junk so we can make sure no transes are getting around the kids.
And here I thought I was done with penis inspection day after I graduated high school.
But GooglebookOS. Not a mouthful.
Companies are the new de facto legislators manufacturing narratives to push their ideas along. When that doesn’t work, they simply use their overwhelming market share to push us there anyway, replacing our law with policy.
Nations that aren’t instituting forced ID for internet use are still going to be pulled along for the ride unless they have their own digital systems to effectively replace US tech hegemony, and look how long it took to make two thoroughly “mid” mobile operating systems.
If you’re worried about this sort of over reach, then consider trying a Linux distro on your phone, or a spare if you can afford it.
Replacing the complete ecosystem is going to take time and effort, and it’s gonna suck but better now than never.
Companies are the new de facto legislators
Excellent quote. Ill be using that in the future.
Its ‘interesting’ what can happen when people are forced to do a thing a certain way only because an engineer wrote it that way and a company mandated it.
That’s why Linux is better. The corporate engineers are pulling a Death Star.
I was going to quote that portion too, and refer to what we currently see going on with these media mergers like paramount+ and whatnot. Same bullshit.
