Probably the same level as the French, people are starving and death is preferred to what life is.
How is saying that at all in any way useful. Why the absolute fk do people keep saying “do something”. Do what? What are people supposed to do. What are you specifically thinking about when you say do something, that these other people are supposed to do? Wouldn’t suggestions be more helpful than trying to post tense shame people for not…what. what is it you’re even suggesting. People are individual and the oppressive / ruling class moves as a swarm against them. People are trying to survive as best they can. They’re individuals with their survival threatened, capitalism is a form of oppression, rising prices is the oppression. They know it’s oppression. How do people organise when their entire day is consumed by surviving. You think people should do something, outsourcing the action to others. People, not you. You didn’t even say why aren’t we doing something. What can we do. Like for fkn real. What would be more helpful is suggestions. Asking for recommendations for yourself. What are you doing?
The most effective is if say “essential” workers got “sick” and didn’t come into work. Imagine if the railway workers all got "sick"again. And truck drivers got “sick” from eating jalapenos, which is pretty pretty possible. And an entire school of teachers got “sick” so parents had to skip out on work. All these people would skip a day of having to buy petrol. It’s risky but the chaos.
I think not buy stuff as much as possible would add to it. So with people staying home even for a day would have a ripple effect.
I mean I’m not OP but I have cut down on spending. Started more car pooling. Quit my high skill job, sorry local businesses one less person that repairs pretty much everything when there’s a massive tech shortage here. Started going to college just to find something else to do. Once my health gets a bit better, thank you Taylor Farms, I’ll get a job within walking distance while I keep going to college. I’ve cut down to almost never going out to eat, only when a friend from overseas visits since it’s easier. Restaurants and fast food place are closing left and right here, in very populated area.
It’s a cultural thing. Government happens around most Americans. They don’t see it as affecting them directly. So it’s not a concern. It’s not their problem. It’s not actionable.
Land of the fee and home of the slave
ICE is murdering people in the streets. Your military is committing war crimes in Iran and the caribbean. Your navy is starving people in Cuba. Your talking asshole is threatening Canada and Europe.
But high prices are the problem?
Man, some Americans suck.
OP didn’t say they were American
OP is like 10% of everything you see on the threadiverse and openly talks about being American all the time.
I didn’t know that. The wording of the post implied to me they weren’t American because they’re referring to Americans as if separate from themself
I lived through the 70s. There’s a lot of wiggle room left. People muddle through. The complaining will continue but that’s about it.
That’s why it bugs me when people watch movies and do nothing but complain. Admittedly, I did that too in the past, I read the Twilight books when I was younger just to complain. But I don’t do that now. People will complain about every decision the creators of a movie or show make and then keep watching it, seemingly unaware that they’re contributing to it continuing. If you want things to change, don’t watch shit you don’t like.
Movies aren’t all that important, but it’s symbolic of how little people are willing to do to solve their problems. They complain til blue in the face but won’t take an action as simple as turning off the TV to solve their misery
So long as healthcare continues to be tied to employment via health insurance, far too many Americans will remain far too terrified to rock the boat.
It’s just slavery with extra steps. Just saw diesel at $8/gallon and multiple places are completely out. We are barreling toward the edge and I’m just waiting for the other shoe to drop.
I’m just waiting for the other shoe to drop.
Wait until 2027, when we start seeing widespread crop failures due to lack of fertilizer.
A majority of the base components for most fertilizers come through the Strait of Hormuz, from Iran. Industrialized agriculture absolutely depends on these fertilizers because topsoil has been almost completely exhausted. These base components need to be available many months before they are needed, because production is slow. Because the Strait is still closed, up to 60% of all northern-hemisphere non-orchard/non-perennial agriculture may be impacted.
If you can prep for a garden for next year, like bringing in manure and bedding materials, I would start now. Choose easy to grow crops next spring that are filling, like zucchini, tomatoes, and other gourds that can keep well into the winter. Try stocking up on staples (beans, lentils, white rice, etc.) that can hold for a long time at room temperatures, and store them in pest-resistent pails. Look into water bath canning, even two dozen jars of tomato pureé can last most of a winter and be used in many dishes. Understand that a decent chunk of veggies need to be pressure canned due to lack of acidity. Follow best practices when canning, you cannot smell or taste botulism and it kills very readily
You’re welcome.
Great idea for people who own property or are least rent a house. We are in an apartment. Our best bet is to stock up on non perishables and utilize our deep freeze. Canned and vacuum sealed goods.
Deep freeze and blackouts?
There is no connection between blackouts and Hormuz. You can only conclude there is if you view “energy” as a big amorphous blob.
I guess we will just die then
I use a freezer and keep canned goods. I should learn canning.
They have to have nothing, it very little to lose. That’s basically how every revolution begins. I would say the one benifit of Trump over the last decade or so is that there are zero enforcement of any laws or regulations being done inside politics. It doesn’t matter what your party is, who you vote for, their goal is to get as rich as possible and have you pay for it.
More than half of Congress isn’t even in session for voting. Not that it matters, their party tells them how to vote, or else. Your paying to fly them home and back to DC every weekend so close to 52 round trip flights a year, so they can attend Congress sessions they don’t go to anyways, then you get to pay for their office and apartment in DC, all their staff that actually do why real work.
I pray in my lifetime people get pushed far enough to actually get off their fat asses and actually do something. Rather than just sign petitions that don’t matter, and make comments on FB. “I’m so angry about xyz!” But you know not angry enough to actually do anything.
Many people have been doing many things. Are there specific actions you’re asking about when you say “do something”?
Careful, people don’t like to be told that we are doing things.
He’s trying to get the Internet to write his congressman
Nobody has waived the magic “all of this stops” wand yet.
Fucking wizards just being lazy.
Eyyo you come wave this wand around then. See how fuckin easy it is. Shits heavy man.
How dare you try to interrupt the powerlessness circle jerk with this reality based take!
Nothing gonna happen while people have food in their bellies and TV to watch.
Americans don’t care enough about their rights or their democracy to put a stop to rising fascism. They’re gonna have to suffer more first. Sucks that it had to come to this, but that’s what happens when a nation doesn’t take education seriously enough.
Bread and circuses
How many people have been murdered protesting this shit?
Nothing gonna happen
Man, shit is already happening
Has anything fundamentally changed due to what’s happened so far?
He’s not going to listen to you.
Where’s your truck bomb then, Mr. Braveman?
What?
and TV to watch.
I think the internet, and social media in particular, play the bigger part here. People talk online and feel like they’ve done something about it. In most cases, they have not, but now they’re not going to go out and protest and be angry somewhere in most cases.
That’s true for most places during a fascist take over. Most humans just want to be left alone to live their life.
then move somewhere with no democracy ?
Bread and circuses are being enshittified now, look at the Trump Diarrhea outbreak, Measles Outbreaks, and screw worm as far as bread go. For circuses there’s streaming, NFL, ticketmaster and theaters.
“I’m white and straight, I’m safe!” -at least a third of Americans
Time to start recruiting… 😈 🍆 🌈
Never. The reason prices are so stupidly high right now is that when they went up during COVID most people just paid them, and the corporate world said, “Wow, cool! We won’t have to lower them!” Modern-day Americans couldn’t “actually do something” their way out of a Walmart unless their pants were on fire, and then all they would do is run around screaming for help and/or whining on social media.
People are doing things. They aren’t all broadcast to the internet. Find a local group that aligns with your ideals (or the closest fit you can find; something is better than nothing in this case) and go to a meeting and meet people. You’ll get ideas about what to do from there.
Mutual aid societies, time banks, and various expressions of the gift economy are popping up everywhere. People are eating out less and (young people especially are) drinking less.
We are doing some things, but it looks more like a rejection of consumerism than armed revolt.
Armed revolt is a massive undertaking involving trusting thousands of other people.
One guy trying to revolt is a “crazy person with a gun” who gets killed or arrested and then their one singular chance at life is over.
Even with a proper armed revolt there’s still the chance for it to be put down by the military and or law enforcement.
Either way it’s a big ask and it’s not going to happen until it gets to the point where enough people aren’t afraid of losing their lives (or may lose them anyway).
Pre-Ukriane war, I would have said not long at all.
But, after seeing how much absolute abuse and humiliation the Russian people have taken from their government, I don’t know man …
I don’t understand how Russia hasn’t balkanized and erupted into a civil war, or hasn’t had a sweeping political reformation movement yet, and that scares me.
If Russia is a baromater for how much a sufficiently cowed populace in a failed authoritarian democratic-in-name-only surveillance police state can take, then I guess 1.5 million U.S. soldiers dying fighting in Iran bad. All gasoline pumps closing nationally from lack of supply bad. The bottom half the U.S. population surviving off of the same humanitarian aid MREs that we used to send off to children in Sudan due to perpetually empty grocery store shelves bad. Statistically more U.S. citizens inside of a prison facility than outside of one due to Flock cameras and non-uniformed plain dressed cops with sci-fi face scanners in their pockets inventing reasons to arrest anyone with a statistically high left-leaning online footprint bad.
You’re starting to realize that desperate people don’t revolt. Desperate people will sell their mother into sex slavery for the crumbs the rich leave behind.
Revolutions start from the middle. People who have the resources to tell the rich to fuck off without immediately starving to death.
We’re about halfway there. Rolling blackouts and gas lines is going to have to happen first.
And what will happen then?
Rolling blackouts would be crazy. I’d have to light a candle to read instead of use our lamp. It’ll happen eventually I’m sure.
