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Nah empathy is for the weak.
Well fuck. Now I have to actually have empathy for his death or he will get what he wants. 😭
have empathy for his children, who didn’t ask to be born into this
and uh I guess that’s about it
He did say kids should see public executions.
“Death penalties should be public, should be quick, it should be televised. I think at a certain age, its an initiation…What age should you start to see public executions?” -Kirk
https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-kirk-death-penalty-public-executions-1873073
nah, those kids are definitely gonna privately celebrate. i know i did when my horrible dad died
Empathy for the bullet too.
Yeah no way that thing walked away unscathed.
Now finish the quote
I think all of his quotes are finished, now.
This is the full context of the quote for anyone curious like I was.
TLDW is that he follows saying he prefers sympathy over empathy
TLDW. what would the difference between sympathy and empathy be?
I would argue that the average person refers to a mix of both when they use the word “empathy”:
- caring about the other person’s pain
- being there for them
- trying to see things from their perspective
- wanting the other person to be better and wondering how one could help.
Classifying one as “a terrible problem” and the other as acceptable seems (at least) a bit pedantic. Specially when it comes to language, a dynamic phenomena in which words mean what (the majority of) people deem them to mean.
my two cents
The train of thought he talked about right when he said that was that in the past politicians said they feel your pain, even if they are an opponent. Now politicians try to make the case that people aren’t in pain.
In that comparison I linked one of the differences is sympathy is feeling pain as your own and another is acknowledging pain without feeling it at all.
I’m not saying I agree with his take, but context made the quote made me go from “this guy doesn’t care about others at all” to “grammar police sidenote where he wants people to say sympathy more” in my head
Context is important and I never heard or watched him at all so I wanted to share for people who were interested like I was.
Talk about self-prophecy. Get shot after saying it’s necessary and nobody give a damn so he can get no empathy like he wanted too. Why are people upset? He got everything he asked for. I’m happy for him. If he only wished for hugs instead of guns maybe he could have received that instead? Who knows, maybe not?
Either way the Law of Attraction is some serious shit.
The saddest thing about it all. MAGA already blaming Dems. No one knows anything about the shooter or motive. But it’s the Dems fault
What a terrible person to not miss.
I’m getting pretty fucking sick of seeing this ‘no one should be killed for their political beliefs’ take going around.
He wasn’t killed for his beliefs. He was killed because he dedicated his life to terrorizing everyone who isn’t a conservative white man, and was materially supporting state violence in the pursuit of white supremacy.
That is 100% something we have firmly established that people should be shot for, in multiple wars throughout the last few centuries.
See the issue with this mentality is that THIS is the mentality of authoritarians. You try to find ways to justify the murder of the people you politically disagree with while not applying the same standard to the people you politically agree with.
What you’re doing is helping set a precedent that political violence is justified if you frame it in a certain way. If that’s the case then other extremist whackos, including conservative ones, are going to start doing the same thing. What’s there from stopping some conservative nutjob from shooting someone like Hasan Piker or AOC or Mamdani or anyone on the left really as a retaliation? After all, if what you’re saying here is now passing as a valid justification, then they’ll just use your very own justification to justify their own actions.
The things that authoritarians don’t understand is that when principles aren’t applied universally, the standard becomes subjective, and sooner or later, their abuse of power will come back to bite them in the ass by the very standard they helped establish. I am fully aware that Lemmy is usually off the deep end on politics, but this is too unhinged even for this platform.
It’s a conundrum. But remember, this guy said It’s fine for some to die from guns. So I sure as hell ain’t wasting a caring thought on him.
It’s not about him, it’s about the implications of embracing actions like this. Vigilantes killing people for political reasons without due process is not justice
Not caring isn’t really embracing it though, is it?
I agree with you in principle. It sucks a well-worded dissenting opinion is getting downvoted. I’m not an advocate for political killings. But I want to pose a counter question… When does it become acceptable to cross this line? When can an otherwise reasonable person give up on a broken system, and go from political resistance to violent resistance? Because for a lot of people, their rights, their lives, and their futures are under attack. Both politically AND with the full force of the government.
when they talk about removing rights from the “others” in society.
I don’t know your backgrounds or motivations, but that simple a response feels flippant.
I too believe that you should obviously resist and try to counter someone who wants to stamp down the “other” just because they are the other. But simple talk probably shouldn’t warrant execution, unless you want those same rules to apply against you as well. Fight them with words and actions, yes. Discredit the speaker and their ideas, embarrass them, ostracize them. Drive them and their bass-ackwards views out of polite society. I know this is difficult in the current environment. They appear to have no shame. But I think the bar for for violence has to be higher.
I wont shed any tears for this guy. I wont use his name. I want him to be forgotten. But I don’t think his killing should be celebrated either.
Again, he was far beyond “political disagreement.” He was promoting actual, race-targeted violence domestically and internationally. If you’re going to be a Nazi terrorizing your community, you’re going to be a target for retaliation.
Can cite specific examples of this?
Pick any single episode he published.
So you can’t cite a specific example? Nobody is disagreeing that Kirk had vile views, but you made a very specific claim that I want verification for. Give me something, anything that directly shows Kirk actually did this:
He was promoting actual, race-targeted violence domestically and internationally
This is called “sea-lioning.”
Calling out people for making stuff up is not sea lioning
@surph_ninja @jballs How exactly did Charlie Kirk “terrorize” anyone? It was just words, dude! Dramatic much? Charlie Kirk engaged in dialogue. He welcomed conversation, even when he disagreed. He was killed because he called out the lunacy of our culture.
I feel like I am living in the story of The Emperors New Clothes and the people who actually call out the stupidity are being made fun of…and killed now. You need to get a grip on reality.
He created a literal hitlist of professors, and convinced people that violence against trans people was a moral imperative.
@surph_ninja a hitlist? He may have named people he felt were contributing to the rot of this nation, but you show me proof that he ever called for a hit or for people to do anything more than speak against the issues.
Read the testimonials of the experiences of people he put on his Professor Watchlist.
@surph_ninja The purpose of https://www.professorwatchlist.org/ was simply to “expose and document college professors who discriminate against conservative students and advance leftist propaganda in the classroom.” You have no proof that he ever pushed followers to do anything vile or hateful to those professors.
Even if his followers did, that doesn’t mean he condoned it. Show us proof. Less talk, more evidence. #lies #propaganda #turningpointusa #charliekirk
Nah. He’s dead now. He won’t hurt anyone again. No need to prove it anymore, now that the trash has been taken out. Good riddance.
@surph_ninja What kind of a person makes unqualified accusations against a dead man without providing any proof? And then we asked about evidence, dismisses the need to validate claims against someone’s character?
You are a bitter, hateful person and from what I see you are much closer to the type of person you claim Charlie was than he has ever been. I pity you. I honestly feel bad for you.
There was a way around this that would have resulted in no deaths. Trump should been prosecuted for the January 6th insurrection. Then we should have put a bunch of fascists in jail for a long time. Then we should have de-platformed grifters.
But none of that happens so. We get what we get.
We’re never better off with the Dem fascists in charge either. They’re two sides of the same coin.
If we want the law to mean anything, and we want it used to hold people accountable, over 90% of sitting congresspeople and senators can now be prosecuted for aiding genocide, which they did in violation of domestic & international laws. That would certainly set a tone and precedent for the future.
Slight nitpick. Though I agree with the whole “we’re never better off with the Dem fascists in charge either.” In the long term. In the short term there are a lot of innocent people in US concentration camps and whom have been deported. Who would strongly disagree with you.
Biden deported 250% more people than Trump’s first term, and Stephen Miller was reportedly screaming at a meeting with ICE leadership because he was pissed they were barely keeping pace with Biden’s deportation numbers.
The Democrat fascists have troves of victims, too, but the media only gives them a microphone when they’re victims of Republicans.
Biden deported them without going to the legal process? Like I’m pro-immigration so I get it. But there’s a big difference from deporting people via the legal process. Versus picking up some guy who’s a US citizen who has a tattoo of his mom on his shoulder. Calling him a gang member and then sending him to some other country to a slave prison without due process.
Neither Biden or Trump are good, but it’s really hard to argue that things would be just as bad today under Biden or Harris then they are under Trump. And Trump’s not even done with the first year of his second term.
LoL. “But he used the correct process for fascism!” You neoliberals are wild.
The Biden admin was absolutely illegally abusing immigrant detainees. You just don’t notice when it’s a Dem.
Ah, I see we have opted to move the goal post and add adhoms a classic strategy.
materially supporting state violence
Dingdingdingdingding.
Here’s the winner, right here. Fascist fucks want to go around pretending that only billy clubs and bullets and bombs count as “violence.” Inflicting mass starvation on people, withholding medical care, stealing workers’ wages they depend upon to survive, and brutalizing minorities and marginalized groups (oftentimes with actual up front physical attacks) is “just doing business.”
So news flash to the chucklefucks: That’s not how it works. State sponsored violence is still violence, and so it follows the oppressed have a right to defend themselves. It sure sucks when the shoe is on the other foot, don’t it?
But it turns out there’s an easy way to defend yourself from that sort of thing. All you have to do is not be an evil and hateful fuck whose policies and actions threaten the lives of others and their right to exist.
Gun deaths from the son of a sheriff deputy and care worker, y’know, the typical “homegrowns”.
I guess some people can change.
I dislike this for so many reasons, but I laughed out loud which means I am legally obligated to upvote
Things Trump do to stop people from talking about Epstein…
This is some tin foil hat shit solely because Trump is too stupid to do any elaborate planning like this
Wow, dude. He’s your elected representative.
Trump is a figurehead. Project 2025 was/is a massive plan that took years to lay out.
Do not delude yourself into thinking the Republican party is a cabal of idiots.I disagree, the Republicans ARE a cabal of idiots. The people who own them and run the party in the shadows, however, are not.
Wow, i heard Trump orchestrated this to distract from the Epstien files.
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The man lived and died by his words.
Betcha he wouldn’t have been willing to die if given a choice, though. That’s for other people to do. Well, now he’s “other people.”
@mechoman444 @jballs Liberals do not understand integrity. So many are laughing because he died by one of the very rights he fought to preserve. The truth is, I don’t think Charlie would change his stance on the 2nd Amendment today, if we could ask him.
What he said was true. You drive cars and there are accidents and intentional homicides regularly. Why aren’t you fighting to get cars off the streets? Kids die from alcohol poisoning. Let’s get rid of alcohol. Use your brains, people. #liberal
Lol! Fantastic. This is wonderful thank you so much for commenting.
So the big argument is cars and alcohol? Brilliant. Because when was the last time someone walked into a classroom holding a Toyota Corolla in one hand and a bottle of vodka in the other?
Cars exist to get people from point A to point B. Alcohol exists to drink. Guns exist to kill. That is the design. Pretending they are all the same is a false equivalence.
We also happen to lead the world in school shootings and active shooters. Canada, which looks a whole lot like us culturally and legally, manages fewer gun deaths per capita. Maybe the problem is not cars or booze. Maybe the problem is metal health. Because guns at the end of the day are just tools used by humans.
@mechoman444 Guns do more than kill. They are used for sport as well. But I would agree that killing is their main purpose. They are simply tools. People use all manner of tools to kill people. I would rather address the hatred and desire to kill. Then the tools would not be used.
Ya man. Mental health. Your boy Charlie was big in putting homeless people and transgenders in insane asylums.
@mechoman444 I would love to see some evidence that Charlie Kirk ever had one person admitted to an asylum. Show me one admittance form with his name on it. You might find some videos where he claimed those people were mentally ill. I believe he honestly felt that they were and had more concern for their mental well-being than you do.
I don’t believe that agreement and tolerance are always healthy. There are things we should stand against that society accepts. That isn’t hate. #lie
Your prose comes across as deliberately nice and tolerant, but that only highlights how shaky your stance is. You frame “tolerance” as though it excuses supporting Charlie Kirk. It doesn’t. Using tolerance to shield a bigot and a racist is not a virtue, it’s complicity.
Opposing Kirk’s rhetoric isn’t hatred. It’s simply refusing to let prejudice masquerade as principle.
Also, to be clear I never ment that charlie Kirk ever admitted or had someone committed to a facility. But he is on record saying that homeless people and transgenders should all be committed to mental health facilities.
@mechoman444 If he is “on record” with statements about committing people to institutions, please share some links and I will be happy to read them. I might agree or disagree depending on the information provided.
My “prose” is just the way I speak. I don’t care if you find me tolerant or not. Tolerance is not something I strive for, nor is hatred or bigotry.
I would submit that Kirk’s commentary and opinions are no more hatred and vitriol than your own. You are just on opposite sides. #truth
Why didn’t he just edit out his death, like he did with all the debates he lost? Is he stupid?
It is amazing what Trump does to distract from the Epstein files.
God given rights?
Didn’t the British leave Britain for America to get away from the church and give themselves their own rights?
He’s even promoting shooting people who try to take your rights away.
lol. lmao, even.
RIP Charlie Kirk.
You were a good Christian man with moral principles with a wife and 2 kids. You were killed by a lunatic while you were exercising your freedom of speech, you were persecuted by your opponents. Some may say that’s a form of fascism, the same party that accused you of being.
The violent rhetoric of the left influenced some weak minded soul to take you from your children, and also taken your quotes out of context.
Charlie Kirk never robbed a pregnant woman at gun point, or robbed a bank, or killed a woman on a train, but instead encouraged open conversation between all parties so they could understand each other in a meaningful way.
May you rest in peace, and may your naysayers see the evil in their ways and repent. They may mock you because they’re unable to refute your debates, but they will reap what they sow.
RIP Charlie Kirk
A good christian man would embrace everyone, not the bullshit he spouted
He debated college kids. Do better.
