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I like to drive about 20 over on long hauls, so technically “I’m passing.” PERMANENTLY
Not how it works at all
i hired a car in Miami, driving to Disney world, as an Australian we “keep left” in this situation,. so along with trying to drive at the speed limit, in a foreign country, on the “wrong” side of the road, I kept getting the finger and beeping… wtf. Took me about 4 dudes in trucks “polietly” informing me of my trangression for me to realise… keep right :)
That is just drinking in Miami, and Florida in general.
There is no enforcement in Florida for left hand lanes. Both lanes are for whatever you want and there is very little enforcement. Source: Been driving in Florida for multiple decades.
Nobody here was the sunshine :(
He’s the world’s biggest asshole!
This was an anthem back in my high school days, what a jam.
Unpopular opinion. But my experience has been that the people who have road rage the worst, are incredibly hostile, aggressive, reckless, and dangerous drivers.
they are always riding other drivers ass. Cutting them off. Refusing to let other drivers in. Whipping around fast any time anyone in front of them isn’t going 10 miles over the speed limit. Just the worst drivers.
They cause accidents too. I know two such guys. They both have a long history of car accidents. Whereas I, a non hostile friendly driver, have none. And I’m 40.
It’s because I don’t drive like an jackass. These are the same kind of men who insist women can’t drive. Yet my record compared to theirs says otherwise.If I see someone trying to merge. I make room for them.
I don’t drive right up behind people. I don’t honk if they are going a little below the speed limit. I mean there are speed cams all over cities.
It’s normal for people to be a little conservative with speed to not get those $150 tickets.
Sometimes people are new to the area. Or trying to follow a gps.
I doubt anyone is driving slow just to fuck with me. A stranger in another car. You know?
I also don’t assume people are intentionally trying to fuck up my day. No one drives perfect 24/7. We all miss our turn. Occasionally forget to check before merging. People make mistakes. Getting angry is not productive or helpful.
I don’t get mad at people for messing up one time. You know? But if they are driving aggressively and putting other people at risk I sometimes do use some passive aggressive methods to block them in so they can’t swerve like a maniac around other cars and cause an accident.
It’s pretty rare that I do that but I have. This comes from my opinions on anti-social behavior in society needing to be discouraged. You may or may not agree with my stance on this. ("Anti social refers to disruptive hostile social behaviors, not how much of an introvert someone is).
One time I did it, it was apparently an unmarked cop car. They kept using the shoulder to weave in and out of slow traffic. Very aggressively. Forcing themselves between cars. Not waiting for gaps.
So I slightly pulled to the right to block them from using the shoulder to keep doing it. Then they flashed their lights at me. I’m certain they were not on a cop mission. Just an asshole entitled cop. Otherwise he would have just drove on the shoulder with his lights on.
Being a cop doesn’t mean you get to drive where you put other people at risk because you think you shouldn’t have to sit in traffic. Everyone has places they need to get to. That’s why we are all in cars driving.
10 mph over is the normal driving speed on US highways.
If you’re going to be a slow poke, I suggest you start practicing reverse passing. Are you on a road with one lane in each direction, and someone comes up behind you wanting to pass? Instead of being an asshole and trying to stop them, be a positive influence and help them. It’s far easier to reverse pass than to pass, as you’re slowing down rather than speeding up.
Reverse passing is just like it sounds - passing in reverse. You enter the left lane, slow down rapidly, and then move back over. You force the driver behind you to pass you whether they want to or not.
There, now you’re the driver in the following position. You just eliminated a traffic hazard, and you can go at your own pace without inconveniencing anyone. Take your slow Sunday drives if you want, but don’t be an asshole. It’s extremely anti-social behavior.
That’s sweet and all…
Get over to the right bro. Yes people drive dangerously. Yes there are improvements everyone can make.
GET OVER.
If you are in the left lane and you are not passing, you are a full-to-the-top absolute shitwagon. These are the rules.
That’s a lot of words to justify camping in the left lane.
They didn’t say they did. I didn’t read it as justifying other people driving slow in the lane, but rather criticizing the aggressive drivers
Not the person you responded to, and I generally don’t camp in the left lane, but when I am in the left lane and actively passing someone, more often than not there’s some dude behind me that can’t even wait for me to get 20’-30’ in front of the vehicle in the right lane before I switch and they speed up and wedge themselves through the gap on and angle between us to zoom off.
Yeah, and that’s ridiculous behavior, I’ll agree. My rule to myself is if someone is actively passing, I give them space to do so. Now, if you pass and then fail to move over, I might try to encourage you to do so. I don’t like to pass people on the right, I think driving is easier when we expect to pass people to our right and be passed by people on our left.
I doubt anyone is driving slow just to fuck with me. A stranger in another car. You know?
I’ll add to this that a lot of people are walking around with this fiction in their head about ‘good drivers’. In reality, driving is a skill and not everyone can be good at it. We really don’t want people like that driving fast, and maybe not as fast as everyone else at that.
So, I see someone driving slow and I honestly think “maybe this is the best they can do knowing that it would be dangerous to go faster, beyond what their reflexes can handle.”
Thank you! I honestly get pretty anxious, especially in my dingy little car, going the speed limit.
Completely agree around the “good drivers” fallacy. We’re all human - emotional, tired, thinking about other things.
And the risk and consequences of a crash increase disproportionately with speed while the time gain has diminishing returns. So I’m happy getting there 5 mins later after 2 h of driving safely and calmly
This the the guy two inches behind me when I’m already doing 15 over the speed limit
Same.
If I’m going faster than other traffic and already over the limit by a decent amount, I’ll move over once the middle lane is clear, but I’m not speeding up just because you’re impatient.
In fact, I’ll slow down just a wee bit.
I give no fucks.
But, the caveat to that is that I don’t loiter in the passing lane at ten under the limit. It’s the passing lane. I’m there because, you know, I’m passing people and not because I think I need to do 95 mph in a lifted truck just to assert my dominance over the morning commute.
I stay in the passing lane if I am still passing people, but my car’s radar maintains a gap at speed and I’m not going to force it dangerously close. Revving up to climb in my backseat doesn’t make the car in front of me go any faster.
I think that looks like tailgating because you couldn’t have a sticker to scale with the cars at proper distance from each other. It’s just a model showing cars need to drive in the driving lane not the passing lane.
Live. Laugh. Losing my FUCKING shit now MOVE!
The tailgater is always the asshole, if there is to be just one.
Sometimes the “tailgater” is doing 10 under the limit while the person in front of them is texting.
The tailgater is always an asshole. There may be multiple.
Kind of surprised by how many people are defending this shit.
If you tailgate people, you can go fuck yourself.
Seriously, driving slow and clogging the passing lane is irritating and dangerous, but tailgating is just making a dangerous situation even worse. Plus, if a person is already absentminded enough to be cruising in the left lane they’re likely not going to be rational enough to interpret that as “move over.” Instead they’ll just think “some crazy asshole is on my ass” and either keep as-is, panic, or try some spiteful move like slowing down in the left lane and further compound things.
Can confirm. Tailgating will fuck financially and physically. Just ask any insurance agent.
Allowing someone to tailgate you for an extended period is also an asshole maneuver.
In my state it is law that slower traffic move to the right lane. That means if your hall monitor ass is running the speed limit in the left lane and you are holding up traffic that wants to go faster than you, you are not only the asshole you can be pulled over and cited and I have seen it enforced.
So it’s legal in your state to exceed the speed limit of you want to go faster than the guy in the fast lane that is going exactly the limit?
Yes. In practice it is legal to exceed the speed limit, as speed limits are written artificially low with the understanding that people will violate them.
“But it’s technically illegal” is a terrible argument. There are so many rules of the road, and you, like every driver, are constantly making minor violations of the law. If every driving law were enforced 100%, there would be no more drivers on the road within a matter of weeks.
There’s a reason it’s long been understood that cops can pull anyone over any time they want. Technically they can only pull people over for violating traffic laws, but it is literally impossible to drive without violating traffic laws.
It isn’t the fast lane, it’s the PASSING LANE. If you are in that lane and you aren’t passing, YOU are the problem.
Edit: And if you are going 2167 mph in a 55 and not passing, you are STILL THE PROBLEM.
I meant passing lane. But I was just asking the question because nowhere in the United States are you allowed to exceed the speed limit legally…even to keep up with traffic. Was just funny that he suggested someone was doing something illegal that prevented him from doing something illegal.
Move. Right.
I’m not saying don’t move right… just saying the guy used the law to say you need to move over(so he can break the law)… and that this was the law… which it obviously isn’t. JUust thought it was funny.
The law specifically states that you must yield the left lane to faster traffic. Every few months the highway patrol gets real energetic about enforcing it too. Hall monitors are rewarded with fat fines.
You can say that, but there are practicalities here. Where I live, it is highly unusual for someone to be going the speed limit on the freeway. It is completely unfeasible for cops to try to do anything to curtail that on an individual basis, so only the people doing truly dangerous things tend to get pulled over. I just play zebra and enjoy blending into all the other people going 15 over.
I regularly have my cruise set at 10 over, going 80 on the 70 mph highway. Most people seem to only go like 75. In well over a decade of traveling forty miles each way doing this and not once slowing down when I see a cop in the median have I ever been pulled over. I like when cops are in the median because then jackasses tend to move over. My adaptive cruise keeps me several car lengths back but it’s still annoying that people just hang out going five over in the far left lane when there’s no other cars around. I prefer not to pass on the right but I’m not sitting behind some jackass for miles just because they think they own a lane of the road. It pleases me the dozen or so times I’ve seen a cop whip out and I’m sure they think I’m going to be pulled over for passing on their right going faster than them and so far every single time their dumbass has been the one the cop pulled over.
You misunderstood what I was inferring. The post I was referring to used the fact that driving in the passing lane at the speed limit is illegal if there is someone behind them that’s wants to pass while driving over the speed limit… which is not true. They sighted using the law to allow them to break the law. Ir was just funny.
Im surprised by the people indicating that they don’t pull over on purpose, literally just to be an asshole… Tailgating is idiotic, but you can do something about it by getting out of the way. Its safer to have as much room around you as possible. Don’t tailgate, let people pass, and pass quickly. Who wants to drive right next to someone, in their blind spot or in yours? Use your controls to either speed up or slow down.
For the tailgater’s here, driving fast barely saves time on short trips. You might save as much as 2 minutes on your daily 20 mile commute driving like an absolute maniac. But who wants to risk a ticket or accident doing that everyday and then paying an increased insurance rate on top of potentially losing your car and spending time in the hospital with an insane medical bill?
I rarely if ever see a tailgater tailgate one car that’s doing something wrong, and then immediately go back to being cool.
So? I don’t want to be the one they crash into.
You’re correct, but as a schematic the image is also correct.
Says the bumper sticker on the giant ass pickup truck who blocks your entire view and always drives 5mph below the limit.
The North American truck schmuck, there are many and they grow larger each year due to environmental pressures brought on by higher temperatures, worsening education and shrinking penises.
I’m in the midwest and the shit is an epidemic already, I’m not going to yuck someone’s yum but there has to be a limit to what people are allowed to drive on the road, those giant trucks are so unsafe, you can barely see anything over the hood unless it’s 20 ft in front of you.
They can be an asshole and still be right.
Absolutely but I wonder if they appreciate the irony.
You know what I do if someone’s tailgating me? I imagine that they’re a bomb disposal expert on their way to diffuse a nuke at a school for blind orphan kittens, I pull over and let them on their way, and smile at the thought of all those kittens who’ll be saved. Stress level 0.
I just think “dickheads to the front”. I’d rather have bad drivers in front of me, where I can see them and avoid their bad driving.
What do you do if they still stay behind you, refusing to pass?
I use a maneuver that I call a “reverse pass.” I make them pass me whether they want to or not!
Turns out, when a vehicle is traveling at highway speed, it’s a lot easier to slow it down by 20 mph than it is to speed it up by 20 mph. This means it takes less distance. You can slow down in a shorter clear lane window than you can speed up.
If someone clearly wants to go faster than me but they’re too chicken shit to pass, I’ll force them to pass. When an opening forms, I’ll quickly move to the left lane, push hard on the brakes, drop my speed down, and move back to the right lane. By the time the dumbass has even figured out what’s happening, they’re already in front of me. They do not get a choice in the matter.
Slow down until they do, or even pull over if it’s safe to.
There’s a minimum safe following distance that’s necessary to avoid accidents.
If they’re too close, I’m in danger of getting rear-ended.
The safe following distance depends on the speed we’re going.
I can’t control how close the car behind me is driving.
But I can control my speed.
So I blip the brake just enough for the brake lights to come on and get their attention, then coast without gas and slow down until my speed matches their distance.(They’ll pass me long before that)
shoot
If the car behind that is you, you’re also an asshole.
Stop fucking tailgating, no matter what the car in front does.Yeah, just stay back a safe distance and flash your brights until they move. Because the passing lane is called that for a reason and people need to get used to it.
Isn’t this a message that the intended recipient will never see?
He’s going to go around them and make them read it.
if this is you, you’re probably me
If you’re that close to the car in front, you’re the bigger asshole and causing by far the bigger danger
You close the gap gradually as a reminder to get the fuck out of the way. The sticker is correct. Get out of the fast lane.
There’s no such thing as a “fast lane”. “Fast lane” implies that there’s a speed fast enough to justify staying there, which is false.
It’s the passing lane. You use it to pass slower traffic in the middle lane before getting back into the middle lane. If you’re not passing people, you do not belong in that lane.
But people do go faster in that lane than the other lanes, because they have to in order to pass.
Fair point!
Your desire to go faster than the car in front does not overrule rules of safe driving. If you think it does, or if you’re so impatient you are unable to think rationally in this situation, your attitude is not suitable for driving a two ton machine at 70-odd miles per hour.
The sticker is wrong. Get out of the driver’s seat.
Lol bro/sphene. Just move over. Your attitude really isnt fit for sharing communal resources.
Just let me past bro. Just get out of my way bro. Just get out of my way or I’ll drive up your arse bro. My right to go fast is more important than your right to safely use the road bro.
I’ll move over when I’m good and ready. Which will be slower if some cunt is right behind me, because I need to make very certain, by double and triple checking my mirrors and blind spots, that you haven’t already decided to undertake, and that there’s definitely nothing that would cause me to have to abort my lane change, because said cunt will already be squeezing past me and I won’t be able to.
I’ll also need to lower my own speed so that their following distance is less likely to cause them to drive into the back of me in the event I have to emergency brake, and less likely to cause their own ruin if I have to swerve suddenly out of the way of some road debris that they than have no chance to spot because they’re trying to get into my back seats.
You must have been a hall monitor.
😂
Incorrect in Wisconsin, FWIW. By law, we have the speed limit, and “slower traffic keep right.” And there’s no keeping-up-with-flow-of-traffic clause, either. So traveling at the limit in the left lane is completely legal, there’s no obligation to clear the way for lawbreakers.
You need to have your drivers license taken away. Cops openly brag about being able to pull people over whenever they want. They can do this because there are so many rules of the road, that it is literally impossible to drive without violating them.
So really, drop the bullshit “but it’s illegal!!!” cope. You violate the law every time you get on the road. Traffic laws are written to be selectively enforced. You make it illegal to speed and then leave it to officer discretion.
Hell, I say we throw you in jail for life. If every law was enforced against everyone who violates them, then everyone would be in jail for life.
You’ve committed enough crimes to get yourself locked away for life. Perhaps you shouldn’t appeal to the law so readily.
So you’re the person who stays in the left lane with a mile of cars behind you?
Do everyone else a favor and stay off the highway.
Lol, no.
There’s legal and there’s things you should do. If the highway is three lanes, move the fuck over.
As I’ve been reminded, it’s not your job to police other drivers’ behavior. 😉
Nor is it yours. Even in your own comments you admit that the left lane is the passing lane. If someone is behind you, you’re slower traffic. You’re obligated to move over, and you’re in the wrong if you do not.
What is it with you power freaks that just have to enact control by fucking with other people? Find a better way to get a rage boner.
If you have slower traffic keep right, and there is no one to the right of the slower moving car, shouldn’t they keep right in that case?
No, not if they’re travelling at about the speed limit. It would be illegal to overtake.
Eh, I see nothing wrong with passing on the right. If you’re driving correctly, it shouldn’t even be possible for someone to pass you on the right.
It is also illegal to stay in the left lane when other people are speeding. If they are going faster than you, you are by definition slower traffic and obliged to keep to the right.
Your job as a driver is not to police other drivers’ behaviors. It’s not even to follow the letter of the law. It’s to operate the vehicle safely. Creating obstacles for other people because you don’t think they should drive so fast is not a safe action.
Really, we need to collectively get rid of the idea of a “fast lane.” The left lane is a passing lane. You should only be in it when you’re attempting to pass someone, and when the pass is complete, you should move over.
I’d just point out, as in my original comment, that is incorrect in Wisconsin. It is perfectly legal to drive at the speed limit in the left lane here. We don’t have any notion of a passing lane in state law.
Out of courtesy, I stay to the right, but almost every semi is doing 65MPH when the limit is 70MPH, the adaptive-cruise people hanging behind them are even slower. So, I pass them. Interestingly, by following the speed limit, I’ll encounter maybe one or two left-lane campers in a four-hour highway trip. It would seem that the people trying to police the behavior of slower (than they’d like) drivers in fast or passing lane are the greater problem.
Just a quick bit of searching, and I found a Wisconsin sheriff who is far less definitive on this than you:
According to state law, any vehicle traveling “at less than the normal speed of traffic” must be driven in the right-hand lane, or as close as practicable, except when overtaking and passing another vehicle.
So Wisconsin does acknowledge that anyone going less than the normal speed of traffic should only use the left lane to pass. But, as the sheriff points out:
“It describes normal traffic, so to say somebody going 80 is normal is going to be very difficult for me to say that. So normal being above the speed limit, you’ve got two conflicting sets of laws here.”
And it’s okay that traffic laws conflict with each other because, again, the point is not the letter of the law, but the safe and predictable operation of the vehicle.
Completely legal doesn’t mean you aren’t a dick for doing it
Sometimes you gotta pass speed-governed semis and adaptive-cruise folks; I’m not worried about criminals’ opinions of me.
I’m not worried about criminals’ opinions of me.
Lmao this would be a great bit if you weren’t serious
Thank you!
Atleast you make it easy to tag you as an entitled piece of shit
The people who are obsessed with this are also the people who seem to think any person in the left lane at any time gives them justification to aggressively weave in and out of traffic, ignoring the equally present laws against speeding and undertaking.
This is my impression too. The number of times I have been held up by someone hogging the outside lane, or had to change lanes twice around someone hogging the middle, is very low compared to the number of times I’ve been held up by a lorry overtaking another lorry on a two-lane road (perfectly legal, happens at least a dozen times every trip on such roads) or been aggressively tailgated while I’m overtaking traffic (not legal, happens about once per such trip)
or been aggressively tailgated while I’m overtaking traffic
Are you one of those people that creates a massive road hazard by trying to pass by driving a single mile per hour faster than the cars in the right lane?
That was my reaction too. The worst drivers are the ones who treat the highway like a race track, always looking to pass anyone in sight, swerving into any lane to do so, and tailgating people as a strategy to get what they want. I hate those people so much. Yeah it’s super annoying to get blocked by a car in the left lane but you’re right, the tailgater is the worse person here.
So true. I can’t believe how often i’ve seen morons like this also say something like “actually driving too slow is dangerous too”
Because it is.
Don’t hangout in the left lane.
It is, but suboptimal driving behaviour of your fellow drivers is never an excuse to consciously make road traffic even more dangerous or behave aggresively.
Going significantly slower than the rest of traffic can be dangerous in a limited number of scenarios, but not frequently enough for people to bring it up in casual conversation.
Edit: Significantly slower is like the opposite of significantly faster, being wildly different is dangerous because of how it impacts merging between lanes.
It’s always dangerous on the highway. If you’re going significantly slower other drivers will not realize how fast they will catch up to you and can’t brake properly.
The one frequent scenario I can think of off the top of my head is merging onto the highway. At least once a week it feels like I’m stuckbehingd someone trying to merge onto the highway 10mph under the speed limit making it more dangerous for everyone stuck behind them.
There is a entry lane onto 94 north of chicago where the speed limit is 70 mph but every single person wants to merge at like 45 mph, but then they will keep on accelerating (slowly) to like 100 mph and pass you. I fucking don’t understand.
Also going significantly slower than traffic and changing multiple lanes at once, slowing down far too early for an exit, going very slow in the middle lane so traffic flows around both sides, and some others as well. Basically if the car is going slow enough to be comparable to something stationary in the road it can be a hazard.
But it really does have to be wildly different from traffic, not just 10-15 mph different.
Yeah. And they rarely give a fully articulated reason why “driving too slow is dangerous”. Because they know that the real reason - “it makes other people drive aggressively” - is trying to place the blame on slow drivers for the actions of actually dangerous drivers.
Of course, you should drive at an appropriate speed. But in terms of safety messaging, it’s not the thing to focus on.
I am the Sunshine.
