cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/35985472
Ooft, the prize is literally just a trophy, why would you cheat this? Skimming takes skill, but to win you surely need a healthy dose of luck too. Anyway, Easdale looks a fun place to visit
Writing that headline absolutely made a word-nerd’s day.
Rocks are natural. Stones are rocks that have been worked/shaped by humans.
This guy’s a stoner.
No.
Dudes never seen a river I guess.
Aside from that this article only comes to the conclusion of broad implications and the author himself says he used both interchangeably in his book, this is an American source and the headline for this post is British. I don’t know about American Engkish, but there is no expectation of a stone being worked by humans in British English. In common usage here a rock is generally bigger than a stone - I’d say whether you can throw it one-handed is roughly where the extremely fuzzy line is - but you could absolutely just pick up any small piece of stone from the ground in nature and call it “a stone” without anyone questioning it
Yea, it’s nonsense to say “stone” means worked by human hands.
Here’s what Dictionary.com has to say:
the hard substance, formed of mineral matter, of which rocks consist.
a rock or particular piece or kind of rock, as a boulder or piece of agate.
a piece of rock quarried and worked into a specific size and shape for a particular purpose: building stone.
The etymology of stone indicates same:
stone(n.) “discrete piece of rock,” especially not a large one, Old English stan, which was used of common rocks, precious gems, concretions in the body, memorial stones, from Proto-Germanic *stainaz (source also of Old Norse steinn, Danish steen, Old Saxon sten, Old Frisian sten, Dutch steen, Old High German stein, German Stein, Gothic stains).
Anecdotal: I’ve never once heard anyone, ever, make this distinction. Stone and rock are synonymous.
Taking performance enhancing drugs? Idk if that should even matter. Steroids are not going to change your skims, gross as they are.
Okay. So.
Stupid question.
Why don’t they do some like, synthetic, maybe stoneware, “stones” that are perfectly shaped for optimal performance. One, if they were all uniform in size and mass and mass distribution, it’d be a lot easier to spot a cheat. And two, if it’s optimized (or intentionally un-optomized) that removes some luck and puts the skill more center stage.
Why don’t they dope openly in the Olympics, maybe similar here
Synthetic = cleanup needed after
stoneware is relatively environmentally benign as litter. It’s just clay that’s been fired (and maybe glazed, mind. but no need for that.) What makes it different from earthenware is that the type of clay used can be fired to a higher temperature, letting it fuse and turn glassy (without said glaze). terracotta pots, for example, are earthenware. something like that.
If you wanted to get even more particular, I’m sure we could sinter some artificial shale or other sedimentary rock into a synthetic stone. “synthetic” here means artificially constructed, the materials could be little different than “natural” ones already in the environment. There’s probably clay deposits near by to justify that, too. (maybe not on the island, which was historically a slate quarry.) "
the reason they don’t dope in the Olympics or any professional sport is because it’s dangerous to the body. if everyone used a rock designed to be identical, it wouldn’t be cheating, in the same way that good nutrition isn’t cheating in the Olympics.
Right?
Field hockey and LaCrosse balls are all the same, have to meet a spec.
Why not just make a spec stone, sell it, and license it with certification tests?
The rule is that they have to be natural stones from the island
So… Planting them beforehand would have to happen by when, exactly?
440 million years, give or take, if you’re going for maximum undetectability.
Yes, I understand that, the rule doesn’t make sense from a competitive point. I imagine there’d be somebody local that would happily supply something (fired clay, maybe,) at cost for an opportunity to sell stuff.
Maybe it’s just a non-serious local event, and finding the rocks is half the fun.
But really! lol.
Picking a good rock seems like a skill. Though, that assumes you can get the rock you want.
I can’t wait for a 10 part Netflix documentary about it.
The winner totalled 177m, and you get three skims, so almost 60m of skim each.
How many people could even throw that far?
I think I can skim a stone farther than I can throw one, given a good stone and flat water… and a few attempts. I’m definitely not getting remotely near 60m though, that’s wild
How the fuck do u cheat at skimming rocks? Planted rocks?
Rock doctoring!
Dr Matthews, also known as the “Toss Master”, told BBC Radio’s Good Morning Scotland that judges heard “rumours and murmurings of some nefarious deeds”.
“There was a little bit of stone doctoring,” he said.
"They had shaped it so that it was perfectly circular and fitted our three inch measurer.It appears it didn’t matter, though, because the article doesn’t mention the winner as one of the rock doctors.
That’s a good band name if I ever heard one: The Rock Doctors. Almost weird it isn’t already taken.
Here was me thinking that Toss Master was the one to go for
Same!! Toss Master gave me a chuckle
The Toss Master VS The Rock Doctors
Epic Showdown!
It is taken. Twice. A UK group and another in Australia.
