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For years, Chinese leader Xi Jinping has pushed ethnic minority groups like Tibetans and Uyghurs to adopt an identity rooted in Chinese nationality and allegiance to the ruling Communist Party.
Now, that push has been codified into a sweeping new law that reaches into classrooms, neighborhoods and homes – and gives Beijing the right to target people outside of its borders that it believes violate its rules.
The statute, officially known as the Ethnic Unity and Progress Promotion Law, came into effect on July 1. It bans acts that “undermine ethnic unity or create ethnic division” among China’s 56 officially recognized ethnicities, which include a Han Chinese majority that makes up over 90% of the country’s 1.4 billion people.
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As someone who lived in China for about 5 years, it’s amazing reading people’s comments on China that have never been there, but they watch bullshit propaganda tictoks, and think they know what they’re talking about.
I’m 43 from the US. For how ridiculously racist the world thinks the US is because they have the most whiney people with victim syndrome (because you know we have free speech and China doesn’t), I have heard/seen legitimately 10x more racist shit living in China in 5 years than I’ve heard over the last 38 years of my life.
There’s government messages all over to hate/kill Japanese. They have an amusement park in the south (I forget where) where it’s a replica US aircraft carrier you can visit and outside there’s an activity where you can stop US tressed dummies with a bayonet.
China thrives on the imbalance of information between itself and the US. They abuse freedom of speech in the US while controlling all media outlets, social sites, and WeChat in their own country.
hate/kill Japanese
Tbf… That’s pretty much all of Asia. That’s what happens when you try your best to murder all your neighbors except for the ones you enslave to do either manual labour or be raped for years on end.
The hate for Japan would be like if the Nazi party still existed to a lesser extent and were unapologetic or in denial about their war crimes. The vast majority of their leaders since ww2 have either been war criminals, the children or war criminals, or grandchildren of war criminals.
Red China needs a massive implosion to free the CCP and PLA run dump.
How can there be ethnic unity if there are 56 officially recognized ethnicities.
The same way the United States is a union of multiple ethnicities: banning hate crimes (ie crime that targets an ethnicity) and guaranteeing fair trials under the law.
That was good propaganda my brother.
All propaganda is lies, even when one is telling the truth.
- George Orwell
Must be hard carrying all that water good sir.
The harder part is resisting to respond to adhominen attacks
No, let’s not act stupid. The answer was there isn’t unity in China or the US.
While the text of the law doesn’t seem especially egregious, we’ll have to wait and see how it is enforced. The treatment of minorities by China in the past has been fraught with… well imprisonment, torture, and erasure of their communities. Kind of like the US and Canada, but worse and on a bigger scale.
Probably just more of the same, honestly. My biggest concern is this:
and gives Beijing the right to target people outside of its borders that it believes violate its rules.
So, uh, any Chinese national, anywhere in the world, does something they don’t like, they come after you? yeeeeeeah, that’s gonna be a No from me, dog.
So, uh, any Chinese national, anywhere in the world, does something they don’t like, they come after you? yeeeeeeah, that’s gonna be a No from me, dog.
They don’t need to care how you think about it since they run these “110” police stations all over the world. They enforce the rules on Chinese people after they’ve left the country.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_police_overseas_service_stations
Kind of like the US and Canada, but worse
Not one to defend China, but how is it worse than what happened to the natives of North America? At least up until this point, China hasn’t been outright eradicating entire ethnic groups.
They’ve been going more with the cultural eradication route. Still really bad.
Yes. Literally the cultural eradication that I was talking about.
Really bad. But have you ever actually read about what the Europeans did to native populations? Dark shit, dude… Enough to make you completely lose faith in humanity for the rest of your life.
… therefore?
Ah yes, the BBC, which still denies there is a genocide in Gaza. Always trustworthy on genocide, the BBC.
So, because they linked one of the news sites you don’t like, it must be suspect. Or you could look it yourself on one of 50 other sites to get the same info?
Or, you could go directly to the source and look at the UN’s investigations into the matter, or any number of international human rights organizations.
Or you could literally buy a ticket to Xinjiangand go see for yourself. Despite journalists, reporters, and investigators being allowed into Xinjiang, we still have no evidence for genocide. And yet reporters and journalists are still not allowed into Gaza, yet we have overwhelming evidence of genocide.
Just stop and think about that for a second. That’s not suspect to you?
Hmm, hmm…
So, ethnic cleansing?
Very quickly skimming the law, it sounds like what’s common in other countries: there will be a national language, restrictions on your native culture’s practices, etc. Hijabs in France, for example, or mandatory English/French in Canada.
Of course, the text of the law and its application could be very different.
Despite Trump’s disgusting EO, the US does not have an official national language. Find the right kind of cultural enclave and business is conducted in that language because language should exist to communicate and promote exchange. Gov-wise we just kinda do everything in English, mostly Spanish, French (up in the Northeast), and some growing flavor of Chinese because that’s what gets the job done best for our community.
More like banning hate crimes.
https://www.spp.gov.cn/spp/fl/202603/t20260313_723912.shtml
各民族优秀传统文化都是中华文化的组成部分。国家坚持以社会主义先进文化引领各民族优秀传统文化的创造性转化和创新性发展，支持开展中华优秀传统文化的宣传和推广。
国家尊重和保障少数民族语言文字的学习和使用，推动少数民族语言文字的规范化、标准化和信息化建设，支持少数民族古籍的保护、整理、研究和利用。
The excellent traditional cultures of all ethnic groups are integral parts of Chinese culture. The State upholds the guidance of advanced socialist culture in the creative transformation and innovative development of the excellent traditional cultures of all ethnic groups, and supports the promotion and dissemination of excellent traditional Chinese culture. The State respects and guarantees the learning and use of the languages and scripts of ethnic minorities, promotes their standardization and the development of their information technology capabilities, and supports the preservation, compilation, research, and utilization of ancient texts belonging to ethnic minorities.
Sorry, I don’t know what that says.
Tell me again how china is good or better than America? I’ve said this before but American capitalism hasn’t been the answer for decades. And Chinese communism won’t save us either. As a Native American I know all to well about the great American history of treating natives here. And how china has been treating Tibet and Uyghurs is distinguished as well as Taiwan too.
Both China and the US are fascist. So they’re about the same.
Yeah, fascists will call themselves socialist, democratic, or even communist if it serves their goal of gaining power.
You need to do a lot of due diligence on anyone calling themselves a socialist.
I think there’s a bit of a difference especially when considering foreign policy in the modern age. I mean how many civilians have died as the result of military actions taken by China compared to the US in the last 50 years?
In my -admittedly limited - experience, the bast majority of people are nice, good people. Doesn’t matter where they come from, what the color of their skin is, what their culture is, most people are decent and just want to make it through the day. Just the other day I was in a city where a football world cup match was playing and the streets were filled to the brim with people from all countries, all walks of life, all partying together. I saw 10 people from every “color” and gender and what not, all playing “keep the ball up”. Everyone was wearing a T-shirt from a different country and it didn’t matter, everyone was there to enjoy themselves.
Its usually a tiny portion of narcissistic assholes with psychopathic tendencies that feel the need to get more money, more power, who always end up pushing bullshit like this. It’s always a form of “I want more wealth or power so if I make another minority group look bad, I can divide and conquer and become even bigger!”
I think that if we simply remove the option to become super powerful that things finally will turn around. That means world wide wealth caps for one, nobody richer than, say, ten million dollars, anything over that goes to taxes. And for two, it means also capping the power that politicians have.
Once everyone is more or less equally powerful, and there are no more incentives to push for more wealth, that 1% if you will, will no longer have the power to push those narratives that one is better than the other, they won’t be able to spread lies as easily anymore and why even try if you can’t get rich or powerful anymore?
I think that is the thing that will turn this around for humanity, we need to stop the rich and powerful
Why does everything need to be compared to the US and why can’t both be bad?
It is better at churning out more billionaires than the US now.
https://ceoworld.biz/2026/03/08/china-surpasses-the-u-s-again-as-worlds-billionaire-factory/
Remind me when the US executes a billionaire.
Oh yes, China is also better at executing people who don’t agree with it through their courts. Amazing place!
Hey, be generous and give .ml some time to write their script at how they treat their minorities better before they respond to you!
BOO!
I dont think either system will be the one prevailing in the long term, they are both to flawed and do not prevent corruption which will always destroy any system. So yea both are bad, which leads to the question which is currently worse? I’d argue latestage captialism corpo America is worse then CCP China at the moment. I think more average people are suffering in America then in China at this point in time. Dont get me wrong I’m not a fan off China in terms of censorship, oppression of people and other control measures in place, my only argument is that living a standard live in China is easier/more comfortable at the moment then in the US (better healthcare, less household debt, less homelessness, etc.). Also the Taiwan situation is very different then the Tibet and Uyghurs oppression but that’s a whole other topic so I don’t wanna start that discussion
Because they aren’t bombing innocent civilians.
Just putting them by the million into internment camps like we see in Xinjiang…both USA and China can be terrible imperial regimes at the same time!
Got any proof of those internment camps that the UN couldn’t find?
We know exactly where they are, satellite images exist. The Chinese government only allows international observers strict supervised visits to pre-approved sites and does not allow interviews with the local people. Well done you for denying the genocide, hope your family is proud!
And Israel doesn’t allow international journalists or aid groups into Gaza, yet we have overwhelming video evidence of genocide occurring. You can go to Xinjiang tomorrow and interview the local population. Your parroting disproven bullshit proudly and you should feel ashamed for it.
Whataboutism at its finest, the absolute state of you! When you are comparing yourself to Israel you are surely in good company! Israel and China are working from the same playbook. You think I should be ashamed? Look in the mirror you filthy genocide denier, shame on you and your mother for having you!
Respond to the content of my comment and explain how I’m wrong. Why the discrepency? You can go to Xinjiang but not Gaza, why?
We know exactly where they are, satellite images exist
So you know where China allegedly, and remember this is the claim you’re defending, killed 20% of the regions population in a single year? 2 million people, more than in Gaza, gone in a single year, in a single concentration camp according to the US conspiracy theory you’re currently pushing.
does not allow interviews with the local people.
What in the absolute racist fuck are you talking about?
Go on tiktok.
Right now. Don’t avoid it.
Type in Xinjiang.
Congrats. you will find more than a thousand interviews from Big creators, small creators, and western news outlets.
Holy shit how are you this propagandized? Do you understand how brainwashed you have to be to actually believe something like this?
Personally, I think they’re a mentally handicapped lib. Their heart is in the right place, but they have been propagandized beyond repair.
With their latest reply here “lib” might be too generous. They just went full MAGA.
So you know where China allegedly, and remember this is the claim you’re defending, killed 20% of the regions population in a single year? 2 million people, more than in Gaza, gone in a single year, in a single concentration camp according to the US conspiracy theory you’re currently pushing.
Typical straw man, these are your words and your claim, I have never heard of this or mentioned this? What are you on about seriously?
I am talking about the mass internment camps housing an unknown amount of Uyghurs, possibly up to a million people. These people are being held indiscriminately against their will for an unknown amount of time. Maybe if you got off the brain rot that is tiktok you would understand. Of course I do not have that government spy app on my phone. You think I am propagandised and you tell me to check out a Chinese government propaganda site like tiktok to tell me the Chinese government is doing nothing wrong.
Do you see how preposterous the stupid words you typed are? Then you have the cheek to tell me I’m brainwashed while shilling CCP crap. You live in crazy town buddy, hope the weather is nice there!
… America owns tik tok…
What year do you think this is?
I am talking about the mass internment camps housing an unknown amount of Uyghurs, possibly up to a million people.
Yeah, so where are the 500+ square miles of camps that would need to exist to host that many people. Literally where? You don’t have satellite pictures of any facility or group of facilities that large. That’s half the prison population of the US’ prison system, which covers thousands of square miles.
These people are being held indiscriminately against their will for an unknown amount of time.
No. People in prison have prison sentences with determinate amounts of time. Also if they were held ‘indiscriminately’ they would just be prisoners?? Like?? Discriminately imprisoning people is the claim being made by the US. That they’re being locked up for their ethnicity. Or sometimes religion. If they are being held indiscriminately then China isn’t doing anything wrong regardless of how many they have locked up…
Maybe if you got off the brain rot that is tiktok you would understand. Of course I do not have that government spy app on my phone.
TikTok is a US owned and operated company, and it also has a website. It is also by far the largest social media website and the largest source of news for populations under 50.
You think I am propagandised and you tell me to check out a Chinese government propaganda site like tiktok to tell me the Chinese government is doing nothing wrong.
TikTok is majority owned by Oracle, and for US audiences is run off of Data centers in the US owned by Oracle, who has complete and total control over content shown to US users. The App’s source code itself has been audited by the US federal government and Oracle as a part of reversing the ban on Tiktok.
At no point was Tiktok Chinese owned. Singapore, despite your people’s best efforts to claim otherwise, is not a Chinese city.
Do you see how preposterous the stupid words you typed are? Then you have the cheek to tell me I’m brainwashed while shilling CCP crap. You live in crazy town buddy, hope the weather is nice there!
You’re so racist you thought a Singaporean app owned by a US company that has been audited by the US government is chinese spyware.
Get some amount of medical help. I recommend going to China, who can offer you psych care for less per session, including flights and hotel stays, than you can receive in the US.
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Right, and one is declared a genocide by the UN and most international human rights groups, and one is propaganda, lol.
Can’t wait for the tankies to try and spin this into something positive.
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This is continuing an act of genocide against the Uyghurs.
and other minorities
There is no evidence of genocide of the Uyghurs. Here is an article detailing and debunking the false allegations. https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang?rq=Xinjiang
Unfortunately, you have been fed anti-communist propaganda.
Instead of just reactively downvoting me, actually read the article. It’s exceptionally well sourced, and fits all the necessary criteria for good journalism.
Lmao did you check the sources linked in that article?
➤ 2019 June 18 – BBC’s visit to a vocational center.
Uyghurs are being held captive where they are forced to change, adapt and love the CCP if they are to ever leave.
Genocide is the partial or total destruction of a human group, committed intentionally. The popular view conceives of genocide as the large-scale killing of individuals, but in scholarly and legal fields, genocide occurs when the group itself is targeted. Acts of genocide include killing as well as non-lethal acts such as preventing reproduction among the group, the forcible transfer of children to another group, and cultural genocide.
Using the UNs definition of genocide including “cultural genocide” means that every nation on Earth is and has been committing genocide. It’s an unfortunate definition, in my opinion;any distinction that applies to all loses its meaning.
Elaborate
Example: Many Americans don’t speak their native tongue.
Thinking that the CCP is anything but capitalist and imperialist is propaganda.
That article is a joke.
You didn’t even click the link, did you?
I did.
Then what about it is a joke?
More generally, while Qiao seems utterly in denial of police violence in Hong Kong and China—including against Black or minority populations—it is, on the other hand, highly critical of police violence in America against such groups. Earlier this year, Qiao denied that the forcible eviction of African migrant workers from their homes by Chinese police in Guangzhou took place, claiming that this was the work of capitalist landlords and business owners, then later insisting that authorities had punished those involved despite that Chinese police were involved in carrying out the evictions. Qiao generally refuses to acknowledge that the Chinese government itself carries out highly racialized policing practices in China.
It should be unsurprising, then, that one will find zero mention of the vast detention camps for Uyghurs in Xinjiang in the writing of Qiao, with it currently believed that upwards of one million Uyghurs are currently detained. The existence of such camps is dismissed as simply the propaganda of western governments. Funnily enough, despite Qiao’s apparent skepticism of western media outlets, as simply being vehicles for western imperialist governments to disseminate propaganda, Qiao itself seems to consistently take the word of Chinese state media outlets at face value. Chinese authorities themselves have acknowledged the existence of such camps since October 2018, backtracking on their previous denials.These camps have been justified on the basis of claims that Uyghurs are dangerous terrorists in need of political reeducation—requiring measures to prevent Xinjiang from becoming “China’s Libya” or “China’s Syria”, according to the state-run Global Times.
With its dismissal of the mass detention of Uyghurs as western propaganda, one notes that Qiao seems to have deeply internalized how Han Chinese are a minority in western contexts, then applied this view of Han Chinese in western contexts to China, viewing China as something like a subaltern nation-state. This ignores that Han Chinese are the majority in China and that, consequently, they have proved to be oppressors of minority groups—not unlike in the US, regarding how its domestic policing practices are in the service of white supremacy. It is, in fact, the same policing and surveillance technologies that circulate between Xinjiang and western-backed surveillance regimes from Ferguson to Gaza.
Great Article, It’s refreshing to read a well redacted and fact supported piece.
It hits the most important arguments against the USA promoted narrative right away.
There are more organisations with more moral ground in the islamic matter that reject this genocide is a reality, than the USA which in turn is promoting a very well documented one in Palestine and Lebanon.
I strongly suggest reading it.
Source: CNN, aka, Fox News II but a bit more serious. They are the same sources that denied the genocide in Gaza for so long, and are still trying to gaslight us about it. Both trying to win Trump’s and half of America’s approval, people who hate China unconditionally, not just the government, but the people too, unfairly, after being conditioned by movies, shows and videogames like Fallout that paint China as “always malicious, plotting something against us in secret…”
After America proved to have a critical amount of influence over Taiwan, I don’t blame China for wanting to integrate most ethnic groups into one, so they don’t get influenced or taken over by foreign actors ran by Jeffrey Epstein Class members like the USA or Europe. It’s the same thing I feel about my country Mexico; there are so many MAGAs here thanks to republican messages bleeding in indiscriminately. I don’t want “republican culture” nonsense touching my country. It sucks. I can’t imagine the hatred a lot of Chinese felt when USA tried to tell them what is best for Taiwan. If USA tried to do the same with say, Yucatán or Cancún, I’d vote for more desperate measures like forcing them both to integrate into Mexican culture ASAP, before they get rotten by “American culture” which is racist as hell. I think we should be doing something like that already: get rid of absolutely all American Republicans here before they spread their bigotry. Shit is contagious.
China is at least doing it with diplomacy, unlike America, Europe or Spain, which pretty much eradicated most of the indigenous cultures here in the entire continent of America. Currently killing LGBTQ culture too, still bullying transexuals to death, or taking certain rights away from them, like taking away their specialized support in the 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline so they die more easily or disassociate overtime (I’m glad it’s failing, though).
You made me go and read the content of the Ethnic Unity and Progress Promotion Law, and there’s nothing in it that promoted genocide or killing. It contains clauses like:
“It obligates the government to support ‘inter-embedded community environments’ so that ethnic groups can ‘live, study, build, share, work, and enjoy together’.” “It mandates internet service providers to promptly stop the transmission of ‘information containing ethnic hatred, ethnic discrimination, or other content that undermines ethnic unity and progress.’” (better than doing it on behalf of only Elon Musk and Epstein like Reddit did) “It vows to support the standardization, digitization, and preservation of minority texts.” …
I don’t trust any government, I’m sure there are flaws and people in power who will not respect it like most boomers in power today are not allowing Marijuana in Mexico to be sold at all even after being legalized 2 years ago. Cops with rancor who won’t leave you alone if you decide to plant Marijuana at your home, even if legal. So many people here avoid paying the minimum wage properly or in time, and get away with it too. There’s also the Narco thriving and all that, because the law is weak and America keeps giving them guns to kill us with, which is also killing our culture slowly but effectively; it is stagnating it with stress, pain and hopelessness. 30,000+ Mexicans die every year just to fulfill USA’s whims. We don’t have that many companies dedicated to making videogames, or are as proficient in technology because people die young here, it is very difficult to focus on difficult disciplines like physics, math, chemistry, etc when the entire country is constantly on fire, you have no liberty to go outside in peace, are in constant fear… Bad economy, bad nutrition, bad experiences trying to learn, so much mental fog, so much fatigue, so much pain, this is what the USA brings forth. And they’re now filling our country with immigrants, “ex-pats” that provoke a raise in prices around them, which slowly and silently displaces the poorest groups here; people who die to poverty and you never hear about them or what they had to said because they never received the chance to read more or learn more. They become another number and that’s it. You just saw that “30,000 lives lost every year” and it doesn’t really impact you as it should. It’s a lot of wasted potential, lost to homicides caused by some capitalistic greedy pigs. I don’t hear about shit like this happening in most other countries, it’s mostly USA and Mexico, losing 20,000+ and 30,000+ people everyday to senseless violence that shouldn’t be there in the first place.
China has its issues too, they are 4x times the size of USA after all. Organizing such a massive country is difficult, but you should learn from them. USA only has 335 million people and it’s already on the risk of extinction just 250 years later after being born. China is what? 5,000 years and still going strong? That’s embarrassing. The so-called “#1 country in the world” is losing against countries they deemed inferior for so long like China or India. What was the point of the war on Iran, if like other 7 countries have multiple nukes, like India, Pakistan, China, North Korea and France, countries that are increasingly disgusted by the USA every day. The big blonde bully USA only has tiny angry Israel to back it up in the playfield, lol.
This whole “China is super evil” trend feels so forced, so fake, so exaggerated, I can’t trust any Western media anymore. They are the same sources that denied the genocide in Gaza for so long, and are still trying to gaslight us about it. CNN and Fox News. All of a sudden, you trust them blindly with this? You sound like Trump whenever you talk about China. It’s almost as if they’re doing this to give Americans something to cope with. So Americans don’t feel too lonely when they are called terrorists or genocide monsters online for what they are doing in the Middle East with their taxes. They can go and rely on whataboutism and bring up China to try and make it seem like there are “worse monsters out there,” but nah, nothing will beat America in evildoing anymore, that should just be left very clear already. American Exceptionalism needs to go.
USA only has 335 million people and it’s already on the risk of extinction just 250 years later after being born. China is what? 5,000 years and still going strong?
This comparison is ridiculous, USA is a former colony that wasn’t even founded until the 1700s; China is not a former colony, and has not been a cohesive nation for 5000 years for that matter.
Re not trusting western media, it’s foolish to trust any media on Earth, whether NY Times, BBC, Al Jazeera, or Pravda.
Re whataboutism, your points are pure whataboutism; not that whataboutism is wrong. It’s good to make comparisons, we all do it every day all day, and that won’t change no matter how it is labeled.
These are my criticisms to improve your argument for argument’s sake, nothing more.
I agree with you re integration of ethnic groups. Yes, I know it’s now called “genocide” by the UN now, but that’s pretty stupid in my opinion. A term that once meant the erasure of people by systematic murder has now been degraded to this fiasco definition. Of course China would want everyone to speak Chinese, why not?
Also agree with “American Exceptionalism”, that train left the station many decades ago and we’ve proven to be just one more empire. One can hope China doesn’t make the same mistakes, and continues to focus on China rather than being world police like the USA.
It’s pathetic the mental gymnastics people will perform to justify a genocidal state’s actions just because they like the flavor of their authoritarianism.
What does the UN say about the “genocide”?
Says you, doing it for Israel and the Jeffrey Epstein Class instead, by promoting CNN which is known for serving those two with a fat smile on their face. I prefer China over your pedophile oligarchs. That’s just the final fact the entire world wants you to understand.
It is also not genocide, you don’t have real evidence of it being so. Your sources are CNN and Fox News. Get out of here. The UN hasn’t called it one the same way it has with Israel. These numbers, these stories you will bring up, how do I know they are even real or not just another “BLACK PEOPLE IN OHIO ARE EATING DOGS AND CATS” type of nonsense being forced upon our throats by the same sources that denied Israel’s genocide?
How do we know this is not just the average Western propaganda of dehumanizing an entire subset of people just the same way you did and keep doing with Muslims and Arabs? You successfully convinced a big portion of the world that they are all “terrorists,” “inherently evil,” and so on. You taught a lot of people to automatically hate brown people. All to commit genocide in the open for decades. How do we know this isn’t the same thing, but aimed toward China and the Chinese? They are your biggest threat right now. Economically and technologically.
Do you think China is somehow outside the networks confirmed by the Epstein files? It’s a global pyramid
Prove it
Lol the final words of a fool who has lost an argument so completely they can’t even comprehend it. I didn’t realize dear leader’s boot leather contained brain melting chemicals. You might want to stop licking that.
So, can you prove that some important Chinese political figures are involved in the Jeffrey Epstein Files or not?
Or why the fuck are you even saying this? I won’t take important claims like those lightly. I care about the truth, and you’re not giving it to me. So, fuck off, you stupid random weirdo. What a dumbass way to reply, what the fuck? Did you tap on the wrong comment or something? Like, the context, the jump you made, it’s so dumb. I just asked you to prove it, and you say this shit.
You are desperate to have someone to smear too? You don’t want America to be the only villain? It is. America is the biggest terrorist of the world. Bigger than Russia even, and I hate both a lot. And I don’t even fully trust China, I have already shared some of my criticisms
What the fuck are you on about??? Where did they defend billionaires?
By promoting CNN, he’s promoting a source that is known for serving the Jeffrey Epstein Class. He’s normalizing it, giving it reputation. Thanks to him, people will believe CNN more often, be more vulnerable to the propaganda they subtly spread, like their anti-socialist comments about people like Zohran or recent socialist winners like Kiroz, Valdez, etc.
It’s almost like they are trying to win your blind approval with headlines that make you feel good, like hating China, just so you believe them more often when it comes to dismantling socialism. I refuse to accept that. I am still open to being proven wrong about China, but not with these. You come across as incredibly untrustworthy. If anything, you’re only going to strengthen positive public opinions about China if you keep relying on CNN or Fox News for these narratives.
Wow that’s the laziest argument I’ve ever seen.
All your replies are MAGA-coded: Simplistic, short, an attack to the messenger, not the message. “Wow, that’s the laziest argument I’ve ever seen” without explaining why or answering anything. That’s literally how Republicans reply online all the time.
You are likely a Jeffrey Epstein Class supporter, trying to stop people in Lemmy from using critical thinking.
Otherwise, go on and prove to us that it is really a genocide, and not just more Western propaganda to dehumanize China the same way you dehumanized Muslims so you could genocide them, you disgusting monster. It’s literally your talent to justify genocides with shit that makes you sound morally superior. You are committing second-hand genocide on Mexico and the Middle East while saying you’re not, so, how can we trust you with this one? How can we trust anything you say about China is even real or not, if you have gone as far as lying about your own people “eating cats and dogs” or committing crimes at rates they are really not…
Nice tribal thinking, MAGA behavior. Me receiving a ton of downvotes won’t change the fact that your purpose in life is to serve the Jeffrey Epstein Class and kill millions of Latin Americans and Muslims with your taxes. China is a better alternative and influence to us than America. Period.
You let some downvotes be your “critical thinking seal of approval,” man. Get real. You are so fucking easy to manipulate and take advantage of.
Dumbass doesn’t even realize this is his 40 comment thread of his one sided multi-paragraph ranting slop. Seeeethe buddy
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I don’t care, pedophile apologist. You and the redditor mod finally sealed it up for me: American Exceptionalism benefits the Jeffrey Epstein Class. This whole movement against China is forced and fake, and if it is not, it is still nowhere close to an emergency as the USA’s threat to the world currently is.
That fact that you think speaking up against China is equal to supporting America and apologizing for pedophiles shows exactly how tribal and mind numbingly fucking stupid you are. All of the major world powers are evil dipshit, stop shilling for ANY of them.
I am not shilling for China, I’m shilling for the truth. Any of you could have easily brought their genocide on LGBT culture, which is one I am very disappointed at, but this Uighur one, I don’t trust America telling me what is a genocide and what is not anymore. China argues it is doing it to avoid the same fate the USSR had: so many divided ethnic groups causing the downfall due to difference of opinions and not having a common ground. Knowing China, they likely did it violently, I have seen the photos of the Uighur inside a camp, being given a speech, but I still have the room for the possibility that this is not the same as what Israel is doing, or truly a “genocide” but a cultural integration. I went and read the law, and it promises to keep their cultural identities afloat and protected, but it’s hard to know if it’s being respected, because we live in the other side of the world, and I have already fell for Anti-China propaganda before, like the way you keep getting shown videos of cars running over children and then driving away, their heavily polluted air; throughout my entire childhood, I don’t remember a single positive thing said about China on TV, on my News or the Internet. It was always constant hate and assuming they are evil, thieves, malicious, always stealing brands, ideas, products, doing piracy, they eat dogs, they lack hygiene, their food is unhealthy and filled with sodium, just negative negative negative negative.
I am tired of the hate toward China. Same with India. Same with Muslims. The experience was the same. The only countries that were respected were the UK and America. A lot of Mexicans here still support America and think Americans and Europeans are “higher quality human beings.” Those same Mexicans will degrade themselves when they’re next to an European or American, they behave like little butlers and serfs. But with Indians, South Americans, maybe Muslims, they behave like MAGA, racist and xenophobic. Seeing these patterns so constantly, just made me highly skeptical of anything you have to say about these countries anymore. Same with the UK, I remember it celebrating when they arrested Prince Andrew, telling America “that’s how you do it. That’s how you arrest a Jeffrey Epstein Class member” but shit was a fraud. He was barely arrested, didn’t go to jail at all, happened a year later, and wasn’t because of what he did to children, but some political betrayal, spilling political secrets or whatever.
Shit does not feel genuine. This post is an article from CNN, that is only making the truth blurrier. I want the truth, and I guess it will take time to get it, because doing journalism in China seems more difficult than other places. I don’t trust their secrecy either, I am sure the CCP has a lot of disgusting war crimes in their closet like any other country does, and I was VERY critical about how they were using TikTok to dumb down our nations, with two different algorithms, and likely spreading Chinese propaganda through it, I am aware of all that, but I am also aware of American Exceptionalists here, I just spoke to a massive one who refuses to admit America has committed genocide alongside Israel. Do you really think I can trust someone like that to talk about what is a genocide or not? He couldn’t bring any evidence or at least give a humane argument as to why America should also stop. I did that to see if they are treating this like a sports game, not really whataboutism.
I still blame China for Covid, which killed many. Officially 7 million, with some experts saying it’s actually 15 million+ because of how difficult it was to report the deaths. Have we heard anything about the responsible scientists? Are they in jail or what do they have to say about the fact they caused an accident that killed more people than the Holocaust? I distrust China so much there. I have the thought that they did a biological attack, and it’s so easy to hide biological attacks. People think they have to look like an apocalypse movie, everyone running out of their cars while a green cloud is being sprayed over them, people turning into zombies or some shit. People refuse to believe that it is actually this easy to lie or shrug shit under the rug. China did punish the first doctor who warned about Covid, I will never forget that, Dr. Li Wenliang, he was suppressed and then he died to Covid. That was incredibly embarrassing and disappointing from China. I hate when they do shit like that.
But I cannot talk about that, because a lot of you genuinely believe Covid was an accident and there’s no much I can say without sounding conspiratorial or crazy to you. But it is one of my massive criticisms of China. They probably did Covid to make us look bad and gain more global favor, because people will see how many people died in the USA to Covid vs China for example. Have you seen those numbers? China only lost like 100 people per million, while the USA lost like 2,300 per million, something like that.
At a bare minimum, I’d like to hear what those biologists have to say about what happened, but we never got that. Not a single word. 7-15 million deaths, just like that. Even if it was a genuine, sincere accident, I’d like to see some justice, and I find it weird there never was more noise about that.
Nonetheless, I’ll thread this claim about China doing a genocide carefully. I am tired of finding out I was lied to.
No, requiring Mandarin classes in schools so they have some economic opportunities in life is not an act of genocide kiddo.
Same logic as residential schools in Canada to give native Americans an opportunity by teaching them English…
Except Canada didn’t, at the time, forcibly teach the local Tribe’s culture as a mandatory part of the curriculum. This law requires it (as does the specific regional laws before it in starting in 2018). The only thing this law does is take the pilot program from Xinjiang and make it nation-wide, allowing all of the poorer rural regions to be taught Mandarin and basic Chinese history alongside their local cultural studies and local language, both of which have been required longer than you’ve hated China for allegedly doing the opposite.
Yes I know I’ve read your other comments. It’s the same logic though which is undeniable… The Canadians used exactly the same justifications for setting up the residential schools in the first place to “solve the aboriginal problem” as they saw it. An eerie parallel to China’s domestic “every other culture except Han problem” that they’re solving with this.
This method is tried and true across the world and its exactly how you stamp out other languages and dilute or destroy culture whether that’s the goal or not, just as a consequence of teaching the lingua franca.
The French academy is a good example. Thousands of dialects disappeared because of being required to learn “proper French” as the academy saw it. It worked, which is why there’s far less variation in accents and spelling across France than the UK which took a more organic approach, inadvertently preserving some of the local accents even if the English accidentally wiped out existing dialects due to incentives surrounding employment, along with rail, telegraphy, schooling, and urbanization.
Wiping out competing dialects and cultures is a consequence of industrialization and consolidating the land you have.
Edit: more context and parallels between the residential schools and China’s policy.
Dialects, sure, to some extent. I mean that hasn’t happened yet in industrialized China. The Chonqing accent versus Shenzen which is entirely different thanks to every single region sending people to shenzen over the last decade, but it absolutely can happen. But this is closer to the UK’s attempt to revive Welsh, Scottish Gaelic, and Irish Gaelic wherein new students are taught English, their own language (usually two or three more as optionals) and their own local culture and history first with the country’s history secondary.
It’s not perfect and some specific words and dialects may be lost, but the only other option is balkanization which damns those regions to constant poverty and warfare, especially Xinjiang which is resource rich, on the border with the Terror Sponsor Turkey, and has been the victim of 30 years of US destabilization attempts.
I can understand the general caution, but what other actual solution is there for a country that is older than pretty much all other countries on Earth with a collection of cultures more diverse and region specific than any besides Africa? Modernizing everyone to at least understand the same language is essential for any hope of economic advancement to happen, as intracountry economic migration is essential for social mobility regardless of the economic system in place.
Xinjiang and Tibet have only been part of China 70 years, some of China’s most recent imperial acquisitions. China is trying to erase the cultures of the people of these regions. Standard imperial practice.
Funny you mentioned the UK and the Irish language (Gaeilge not Irish Gaelic). If you like I can educate you on how the imperial British erased our language as the common tongue of the country. It involved projects just like the one China is currently engaging in. We former colonies recognise your imperial playbook and will do our best to call you out on it.
You know China ended slavery and torture in Tibet, right?
Please learn some history. Pretty please.
The region now called Tibet has been under what is now the ‘Chinese’ country since 1231AD. Continuously. From 1912 to 1951 Tibet had de facto independence due to the incompetency of the Republic of China being unable to control all of the Qing dynasty territory, which was one of the causes of the People’s revolution.
Xinjiang has been a part of china since the second century BCE, however. Where you got “70 years” is a fucking mystery and I do actually want you to feel bad about that. Since no source ON THIS FUCKING PLANET even suggests that. The fucking Han Dynasty conquered it before English was invented.
The reason the UK needs to try to revive those dialects and languages is the key here. Having a common language is a necessary part of consolidating your land as an industrialized nation, so I’m not surprised China is doing it. You’re right about balkanization happening if you don’t force people to use the lingua franca.
They know exactly what they’re doing and the consequences though. I think it’s disingenuous to say they don’t. The Chinese aren’t stupid so they know even if they teach both languages, when all of the official print, your own work, clients, friends, messaging apps, government forms .etc use Mandarin it eventually becomes the language primarily spoken at home which is where you can begin to break the link between one culture and the next.
Once that happens it’s possible to drop the local language requirement and a minority of people are mad about it at that point (generations later.) Same concept as second or third gen immigrants here in Canada who can’t speak their parents or grandparents language at all unless they pay for private schooling in an immersion school. I’m not saying China will drop the local language 20-40 years from now but eventually they can if they want and people aren’t going to be as strongly opposed once they’re integrated after decades of forced schooling in Mandarin.
They’re following a well tested method for homogenizing their nation. Canada tried and failed at it for the same reasons the Chinese are trying to prevent balkanization. In the end it’s going to destroy these cultures and it won’t be an accident…
The Chinese aren’t stupid so they know even if they teach both languages, when all of the official print, your own work, clients, friends, messaging apps, government forms .etc use Mandarin it eventually becomes the language primarily spoken at home which is where you can begin to break the link between one culture and the next.
Except all government forms are available in over 50 languages, including Uyghur. Nearly all apps have moved on from the “traditional (taiwan)/Simplified (mainland Mandarin)” split and offer at least 4 or five. qq and Baidu at least are offering translated pages in Tibetan and Uyghur now, and it’s really up to their friend and family group with what language they use.
They’re following a well tested method for homogenizing their nation. Canada tried and failed at it for the same reasons the Chinese are trying to prevent balkanization. In the end it’s going to destroy these cultures and it won’t be an accident…
Except China is just doing what every country that fucked up is now doing. They literally learned the lesson from Canada, France, the US, UK, et al who now all have local languages and culture taught along side the business culture and language. As someone who is both Choctaw Indian and Chinese, I can tell you the former is taught in the US along side English on Choctaw lands. There was period where this wasn’t true. China is just skipping that period and allowing that culture to continue while also not destroying their future.
Trying to eradicate a people’s culture is absolutely a form of genocide kiddo.
Requiring that people’s culture be taught in schools is erasing it?
Maybe my English has degraded but that sounds like the exact opposite kiddo.
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True but when you add in the sexual violence, the forced sterilization, the sexual violence and the mass murder it starts to look pretty damning.
Notice how I didn’t have to call you kiddo because my argument stand up for itself?
None of that has happened. You have been fed propaganda.
https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang?rq=Xinjiang
You are a genocide denialist.
Look at Mr. Reactionary over here, pitching a fit because I (and the rest of the world outside of the West) disagree with his CIA-sponsored worldview.
I don’t think that point out that you’re denying a genocide is pitching a fit.
True but when you add in the sexual violence,
Fun fact, this happens at all prisons all over the world, and the perpetrators are arrested, charged, and imprisoned for it when it does happen.
the forced sterilization,
Fun fact, while this was claimed by individuals that once alleged they had family members this happened to in Xinjiang, there was never any evidence of this provided during the UN probe, and the UN probe failed to find any victims of this. Just ‘Families’ of ‘victims’ that could not locate said victims despite allegedly being in contact with them.
the mass murder it starts to look pretty damning.
This didn’t happen, unless you’re talking about the US-lead terror attacks across Xinjiang which lead to the security increase and economic investment in the region. Kiddo.
I will stop calling you kiddo when you decide that, unlike a child, you will actually look up evidence yourself instead of thinking “RadioFreeAsia” and other NED sponsored outlets.
Think for yourself says the genocide denier.
My guy no international observer has ever found evidence of a genocide. Not a single one. There have been no less than twenty international and UN investigations into this because of US propaganda. China is one of the most investigated countries in the history of the UN and Interpol.
What was it you libs kept saying about Hillary Clinton? If she was hiding something surely it would’ve been found in the hours and weeks of interrogation she went through or the massive investigations?
Apply that same logic to a country that has fully complied with all international requests and investigations.
No international observer found evidence of the German Holocaust either until after the war. Just saying…
Except in that case international observers were not allowed free roam of Germany including the prisons that supposedly in the case of China are these industrial extermination camps 10-20x as large as Germany’s.
Your whataboutisms don’t cover the sounds of genocide denialism.
Learn what words mean.
Okay, just look into what the US and Canada did with their “cultural education” program for indiginous peoples and tell me this doesn’t smell the same.
Cool, again if you read the comment you’ll know I’m Choctaw. I’m very, very well versed in the various cultural genocide attempts of the US. This does not smell the same. It smells like the current education available to Indian-priority schools within the 10.5 counties of the Choctaw nation today, which is the language being taught alongside English, and history class for an entire year being Choctaw history and cultural studies, with at least one day a month for the rest of the years covered being a cultural day.
It smells like what Irish people have described their school life since Gaeilge became a requirement for graduation, wherein school is taught in both languages. Where traditional Irish culture and modern Irish culture are both taught.
It smells like what those programs said they were, in an honest attempt to avoid making the same mistake.
Define integrate. I live in a country that I wasn’t born in. Obviously, I follow the laws, but I don’t owe anyone to change my personality. I eat whatever the fuck I want, dress the way I want, etc. I’m allergic to narrow-mindness because it implies low intelligence, among other things
Here’s the wiki article on the law: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_on_Promoting_Ethnic_Unity_and_Progress.
Some stuff makes sense - like economic modernization of regions with many minorities (especially poor regions), teaching Mandarin in schools so that everyone can speak the majority language, and preserving cultural works and texts of minority groups.
Other stuff seems repressive, like the broad enforcement section, the extremely broad reach of the law into all public and private institutions, legislating what various actors can/can’t teach the youth if it might “harm Chinese ethnic unity” which is left pretty vague. Very ethnostate-coded stuff on the whole, not great.
Some sections I thought were noteworthy, taken from wikipedia, shortened with DeepSeek. There is lots more stuff in there.
"Chapter I… tasks the whole of government and society to achieve these goals, mandating general obligations on a wide range of public and private actors such as … " [basically all imaginable institutions]
“Chapter II, titled Building a Shared Spiritual Home, lays out the ideological characteristics … requiring fostering identification with ‘the great motherland, the Chinese nation, Chinese culture, the Communist Party of China, and socialism with Chinese characteristics’ through patriotic education … and promotion of ‘Chinese cultural symbols and image of the Chinese nation’. It also codifies the predominance of Standard Chinese (Putonghua) in public life … and requires that Chinese characters be displayed more prominently than minority scripts if both must be used in public.”
“It tasks the Ministry of Education and the National Ethnic Affairs Commission in developing textbooks regarding ‘the community of the Chinese nation’ … It vows to support the standardization, digitization, and preservation of minority texts. It broadly requires media, internet service providers, families, among others, to promote the CCP’s ethnic policy … while prohibiting them from ‘instilling in minors ideas detrimental to ethnic unity and progress’.”
“Chapter V and VI concern the enforcement mechanisms … permits citizens to report conduct that ‘undermines ethnic unity and progress’ … Procuratorates may initiate public interest litigation when any such conduct also ‘undermines national interests or the public interest’. It generally leaves penalties to be imposed under other applicable laws. It also asserts jurisdiction over foreign organizations and individuals that ‘commit acts targeting the PRC that undermine ethnic unity and progress or create ethnic division’.[7] The law empowers the state to pursue those outside of China perceived as undermining notions of ethnic unity.”
It’s quite standard fascist discourse:
Point to real problem that everybody wants to solve; declare that some policy they want (almost always some kind of racism) is the only solution; do some genocide as the means of implementing the policy.
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This law does none of that btw. You can read the text.
The reason this law is written this way is because of the US funded and armed East Turkestan movement that has killed hundreds of men women and children and dozens of police over the last 30 years.
That is the ‘ethnic policy’ that no, East Turkestan, a “country” invented in the 1990s by white people that were upset their spy networks in China kept getting executed, is not real and is not a part of Chinese history or culture. Because the East Turkestan movement used propaganda that said the evil Chinese Communists invaded East Turkestan (literally several millennia before communism came to China) randomly and out of the blue and stole away the people of turkey and their land (that just has happened to have been on every single western map of China ever made).
The “ethnicity” is Chinese. All people in China, Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia, Yue, etc are Chinese. There are sub ethnicities like Uyghur, but they are Chinese.
This law is to reduce racism and radicalism.
I am definitely sympathetic to the defense against foreign dissent-manufacturing. I don’t doubt that is a serious issue.
But, ethnicity and nationality are separate things. Being a Chinese citizen does not make one ethnically Chinese - or in this case Han Chinese. I think what you are calling “sub-ethnicity” here is just what people mean by “ethnicity”. And what you’re implying is “ethnicity” is just “nationality”.
Though I think the CCP is trying to establish the concept of a Zhonghua Minzu (中华民族) or “Chinese Nation/Ethnic Group” - which is an artificial category intended to create a unified Chinese national identity out of the 56 ethnic groups recognized in China - maybe that’s what you mean? Either way, that doesn’t fit the typical anthropological definition, in my opinion.
I think they walk a fine line with that concept - it’d be very easy for that national identity to represent the Han majority more than the small minorities. As evidenced by the language restrictions posed by the law. Given the Han majority is 90% of the country, I don’t see how it could be otherwise.
To the extent that it reduces racism and foreign-sponsored dissent groups, that is good. To the extent that it limits free practice of culture and true, non-US-State-Dept sponsored, free speech, I’d say it’s overly draconian. But, I can also appreciate the need for more “authoritarian” laws in a country that has been under attack by foreign powers for as long as China has.
I am not a Chinese legal expert and have not read the full law, nor do I fully understand the context. So I withhold full judgment and don’t value my opinion too highly.
Ethnicity is a crap word created by the western political discourse to undermine the developing countries.
In many regions of the world, people don’t identify via their ethnicity l, but their tribes or their religion (e.g. middle east before 1930ish). You don’t see the average westoid liberal defend those rights tho.
Same here (I’m on my 3rd migration) and after 5 years I still don’t even speak the language, which is embarrysing but also just fact.
If you have to ask you are not doing it right
Winnie the Pooh, probably
Source?
The Uyghurs.
Persecution? I thought it was a genocide?
Ah yes, dealing with radical islamic terrorism is only bad when China does it
And not just “dealing with it.” Ending it by increasing regional economic opportunities, infrastructure projects, increasing access to healthcare and education, and thereby effectively eliminating poverty, the root cause of most crime, including terrorism. Oh, and all of that without impacting the Uyghur peoples’ culture or religion.
At least, that’s what the rest of the world outside of America, Europe, and Israel say.
https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang?rq=Xinjiang
And not just “dealing with it.” Ending it by increasing regional economic opportunities, infrastructure projects, increasing access to healthcare and education, and thereby effectively eliminating poverty, the root cause of most crime, including terrorism.
As far as I am aware, that’s what China has been doing for decades… Possibly even better than the west, although we did have a head start and healtchare and education is still better in places here than some parts of China. But they’re progressing.
Oh, and all of that without impacting the Uyghur peoples’ culture or religion.
Depends how you define impact. Islam is protected under the Chinese constitution. Uyghur culture is still celebrated, I’ve even seen Uyghur food stalls and restaurants with signage in the Uyghur language well away from Xinjiang. Whenever I watched it, state media seemed to make a point of telling everyone that the day of that reporting was a special festival for the Uyghur people and detailing some of their traditions. It seemed like a far cry from what I heard from western media.
Well don’t move to China!
You can’t, you can get visa’s to stay there but you can never be a chinese citizenship/passport.
This is all about ethnically cleansing the chinese born minorities to be all han chinese.
It’s the opposite, hence this law, kiddo.
China doesn’t limit how people dress or what they eat, or even their personality
I’m from Silesia which is now part of Poland after the WWII. All my grand parents were born in Germany and then the borders moved and the land became polish.
But it’s more complicated, because my ancestors were fighting against both the polish and the Germans to make Silesia an independent nation, but they failed. Two of my great grandfathers ended up in concentration camps because of that, one in Auschwitz and another one in Dachau.
When my dad started going to achool he spoke Silesian, a mix of polish and German which was usual there. His parents were called to the principal countless times that they have to do something about it because German was not allowed in school.
When my grandfathers sister who lived in Germany because she fled there - came to visit him they spoke German at the bus station because she didn’t speak polish. Someone called the police and my grandfather spent two weeks in jail for this.
When I started to go to school, it was still forbidden to learn German, so I was supposed to learn Russian instead.
My parents finally had the possibility to flee to Germany and only there 1989 we all started to learn the language of our ancestors, two generations later.
Still to this day the polish government is afraid of the separatistst movement in Silesia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silesian_independence
China has the exact same problem as Poland. Before Xi they have been quite relaxed with it. My wife was born into a Korean family in north east China, she didn’t speak Chinese until middle school. They had their own identity, Korean schools, Shops, etc, no integration needed.
But separatism is dangerous for countries, it brings a lot of problems, fighting, security concerns, etc. It’s just easier and more harmonic if everyone pulls to the same direction. Poland crushed the German identity by constantly putting people into jail and making it impossible to live a normal life and by mixing the rest of the german population who for whatever reason couldn’t flee to Germany after WWII. And they did so very successfully I might add. Now Xi is learning from this success and doing the same with their minorities.
Separatism is a problem if the country’s government wants to preserve unity by force. If the country embraces diversity, separatism becomes weaker and even irrelevant.
It’s just easier and more harmonic if everyone pulls to the same direction.
This puts the cart before the horse. Nations are supposed to serve the needs of people. People are not supposed to serve the needs of a nation. If your nation needs to go to the extreme lengths of forced ethnic integration to keep a region from breaking free from your country, maybe that region simply doesn’t belong in your country and never should have been a part of it. That’s not harmonizing a nation; that’s conquest and ethnic cleansing.
Unlike what happened with your grandfather, China isn’t getting rid of local languages. They are requiring both in schools, the local regional language (down to microregions, so not everyone in Xinjiang has to learn Uyghur for example which would destroy more than a dozen cultures). This change simply requires mandarin to be taught alongside the local culture and language, so that Uyghurs aren’t trapped in Xinjiang and can actually find work in Beijing without having to take years of Mandarin lessons.
It’s amazing how many downvotes you are getting just for refuting the genocide narrative with simple facts and logic. I can’t tell if people are so afraid of being labeled a genocide denier or if they are genuinely this propagandized that they just instinctively react emotionally to anything that counters their worldview. It’s sad, to be honest.
It’s the latter. Unironically the CIA has made amazing strides in psychological operations compared to their older work despite their massive failings lately in direct interventions.
Despite them admitting to doing the same thing in regards to Tibet, wherein they claimed an impossibly large genocide and totally accidentally supported a child rapist who wants to return to a kingdom that allows him to have infinite child sex slaves, they were still successful in their campaign of making Americans pretend to care about Uyghurs and a genocide that has no evidence behind it.
So when they, the Americans and other groups affected by said propaganda, receive new propaganda like the most uncharitable reading of a positive law that actually protects cultural identity, ensures continued education in endangered languages and cultures, while still enabling the economic boon that comes from being able to speak the same language as 86% of all businesses in the country… they just believe that interpretation. Cognitive Dissonance is a serious problem amongst propagandized populations (warning, ironic link) and I don’t know how exactly to combat that except act as a beacon of diverse opinion and fact so that some of them might possibly break out of their conditioning, or at least start to question why they agree with the CIA over actual people living in the region.
Edit; if you’re wondering why, exactly, I choose to over cite my sources on this and other specific lemmy.world subs, cross check the [redacted]
Sometimes I think is China really a social or mixed bag pretending to be social specially on capitalism side🤔
First and foremost they’re authoritarian.
They are neo authoritarian.
Source: main US propaganda shitposting network…
https://www.spp.gov.cn/spp/fl/202603/t20260313_723912.shtml is apparently a source that backs this up. IDK I can’t read it.
Yeah, pretty normal law:
Here’s an English summary of this document — the Law of the People’s Republic of China on Promoting Ethnic Unity and Progress, adopted March 12, 2026 by the National People’s Congress, effective July 1, 2026.
Purpose & framing The law aims to strengthen a shared sense of Chinese national/ethnic community identity, promote unity among China’s ethnic groups, and support the “great rejuvenation” of the Chinese nation. It affirms equality of all citizens and ethnic groups before the law and bans discrimination or oppression of any ethnic group, while emphasizing Communist Party leadership over ethnic affairs work.
Structure (7 chapters, 65 articles):
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General Provisions – Legal basis, guiding ideology (Marxism-Leninism through Xi Jinping Thought), core principle of “forging a strong sense of Chinese national community,” and rejection of foreign interference in China’s ethnic affairs.
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Building a Shared Spiritual Home – Promotes patriotic/socialist education, shared cultural symbols, protection of heritage sites, and nationwide promotion of Standard Mandarin Chinese as the primary language in schools and government (while still protecting minority languages). Includes provisions on education curricula, media/propaganda work, family education, and outreach to Hong Kong, Macau, Taiwan, and overseas Chinese communities.
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Promoting Interaction and Integration – Encourages mixed-ethnic communities, cross-regional migration/employment/education exchanges, youth exchange programs, tourism, and regulation of online content — banning material that incites ethnic hatred or discrimination.
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Advancing Shared Prosperity – Focuses on economic development in ethnic minority regions: infrastructure, industry, poverty alleviation, border-area development, public services, and ecological protection.
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Safeguards and Oversight – Assigns responsibilities to government bodies, party organizations, businesses, religious groups, military, and grassroots organizations. Establishes a “Ethnic Unity Progress Publicity Week” (last week of September) and mechanisms for public complaints and prosecutorial public-interest lawsuits.
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Legal Liability – Penalties for officials or organizations that fail to prevent ethnic-unity violations, discrimination (e.g., employment discrimination based on ethnicity), or online violations. Serious violations (terrorism, separatism, religious extremism) are treated as criminal offenses, including for actions by foreign entities targeting China.
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Supplementary Provisions – Allows provincial/local governments to enact supporting local regulations; law takes effect July 1, 2026
CNN propaganda bs confirmed… From a country with 80% black jail population, legal slavery of them, and currently hunting brown people and disappearing their kids at that…
not answering you, but for people having doubts after reading your reply: please translate it yourself because its not just that, there’s 1984 stuff like this inside:
Parents or other guardians of minors shall, in accordance with the law, fulfill their responsibilities for family education, educate and guide minors to love the Communist Party of China
I mean, I don’t know how much are you familiar with the legislation and family and primary education programs in Western countries, but you can find really like just similar items in there that also indoctrinate our kids into loving and believing in the system in which we are functioning currently.
You all sing the anathems of your countries, praise the flags, wear uniforms and are acknowledged with the supposed history that happened and built the nation, you inhabit blah, blah, blah. Like it’s all basic propaganda, like on the same level that you are here quoting from the Chinese state.
But that’s even beyond the discussion of this article, since the article is claiming that there is like a genocidal or discriminatory intent in this legislation, when it’s literally the opposite of that.
And also, there is a very general misinformation about the Han ethnicity in China. The Han ethnicity in China isn’t and never was homogeneous ethnic group, the Han was formed by the integration of other ethnical groups through the history of China, which by the way did it in a voluntary way.
They didn’t genocided other populations like the western, predominantly pink ethnicity, have done in the course of centuries, but they just accepted the addition of the surrounding ethnicities into their own, which did it to gain favor with the richer provinces and kingdoms.
The present Han are mix of dozens of older ethnicities.
And China is currently following the same “tradition”.
What they do not accept on our very strict against are the existence of a technical or cultural group that are proactively trying to divide themselves from the hegemonical or the status quo cultural background that China is trying to project.
And for a good reason, because those groups are the ones that predominantly get undermined and infiltrated by foreign interests and end up creating ethnicities into their own, which did it to gain favor with the ruling classes, which did it to gain a better division and chaos in the regime, which we already have seen happening in other countries including Russia, where the Chechens were used by Saudis and US for that same reason.
Sure, forceful integration in these cases isnt the “cleanest” solution, but its far more effective and human than the discriminatory and alienating policies of the west, that market “diversity and democracy”, only on certain levels, while the top is all pink, male, “judeo-christian”.
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It bans acts that “undermine ethnic unity or create ethnic division” among China’s 56 officially recognized ethnicities
Lol. Legal protection for minorities framed as a bad thing.
I think you misread the statement you’re quoting. Can you elaborate on what your take on it was?
My take was “China is banning acts that undermine a general Chinese Ethnic unity or create Ethnic Division (saying one group is different than another, you know, like a cultural pride or language teaching services in their native dialect would be examples)”
Beijing says its new ethnic unity law protects “the legitimate rights and interests of all ethnic groups” and “does not undermine ethnic minorities’ use of their own language.”
When asked about the potential for “long-arm jurisdiction” at a press conference Monday, Vice Minister of Justice Hu Weilie said it aligns with the basic norms of international law for countries to protect their sovereignty.
I read this to mean that the law is in place to do what they can to prevent outside agents from intentionally sewing separatist beliefs, as in outside groups (like maybe the CIA) sending people in that try and break up the unity of the larger Republic of China into smaller groups based on racist or ethic differences.
The statement from Beijing explicitly states it allows the minorities to practice their own language, and the 56 officially recognized minorities are considered part of the Chinese culture under this law, and protects those cultures.
China is constantly being battered on all sides by other agents from outside of their borders attempting to convince small areas to succede or separate from the Republic, and this bill is in place to prevent ethnic division on those grounds.
that’s my reading.
Is the CIA in the room with us right now?
Aren’t you the guy that defended Israel’s genocide?
You’re the only genocide denier here
Oh you must be some dumb fuck’s alt. All you fuckin sock puppets should be banned. Wanna point out which comment in my public comment history condones any of that shit? Or you just gonna pull some other bullshit whataboutisn? Israel has as much right to exist as you have reasoned positions. Fuckin ding dong dipshittery. Quick now call me blue maga or that I’m working for republicans or whatever nonsense projection you rubes are using these days.
Sorry for the off topic, I’m filling up a questionnaire. Do you think israel has a right to exist? :)
If Israel has a right to exist all the white people need to get the fuck out of north America. And you’re not sorry, you’re shit-stirring because the left loves to infight and purity test, I know because I do it too.
It’s not appropriate for a government to be doing this kind of thing. And it doesn’t protect minorities it erases them.
Isn’t this kinda standard? It would make sense to educate a country’s people in a common language. I don’t believe this is necessarily trying to eradicate the minority languages, patterns have generally shown that the languages just coexist.
As for unity in nationality, such a thing also makes sense.
Article reads as just another “haha china bad” hit piece from CNN
patterns have generally shown that the languages just coexist
I would love your source on that, because that is contrary both to my reasoning and experience.
Countries with large native minorities usually teach using the native language. For example in the UK there are Welsh medium schools for native Welsh speakers. This is usually not done for migrants, but only for local native languages. In the case of China there are more then a dozen none Chinese native languages with over a million speakers. For some you could easily set up universities and so forth.
Although in Wales, english is already known and used by government services, same in Ireland. Only 81% of Chinese people can speak Mandarin.
In Wales and Ireland the native languages were deliberately subjugated, and are only recently being deliberately re-prioritised. It’s a sore point among both populaces
So to compare the amount of speakers pre and post language erasure isn’t that helpful I don’t think
Doesn’t mean China will necessarily subjugate and erase them though. Minority languages can still be seen represented across China, even on the banknotes. As well as celebrating ethnic minorities, united under the five-starred red flag. It’s likely an effort to just make mandarin a first language.
“Ethnic unity” is a euphemism for ethnic cleansing.
Evidence?
Show me a country that has engaged in cultural extermination that doesn’t couch it in terms of unity. That’s literally the core of fascism. You need one nation. One party. One race. One identity. That’s the definition of fascism.
I don’t think they’re advocating for one race here
Ethnic unity = one race
It doesn’t get more synonymous.
No one’s going to believe you’re that stupid so stop acting like you’re not just a troll.
It isn’t synonymous. The preamble of the legislation itself refers to the aim of a “unified multi-ethnic nation”. Just because the USA has issues of racism and race division going on, doesn’t mean that other nations should follow suit. The law is literally trying to break down race divisions and is in itself anti-racist.
Read the official publication, lol
https://www.spp.gov.cn/spp/fl/202603/t20260313_723912.shtml
The state respects and protects the learning and use of minority languages and scripts, promotes the standardization, normalization and informatization of minority languages and scripts, and supports the protection, collation, research and utilization of ancient books of minority groups.
The outstanding traditional cultures of all ethnic groups are integral parts of Chinese culture. The state adheres to guiding the creative transformation and innovative development of the outstanding traditional cultures of all ethnic groups with advanced socialist culture, and supports the promotion and dissemination of outstanding traditional Chinese culture.
Two whole paragraphs you get to “traditional values”. Where have I heard that before?
They’re literally advocating ethnic unity. Not unity between ethnicities, but ethnic unity implying one.
The law bars anyone from blocking marriages on ethnic grounds. The only way to stop one ethnicity existing would be to ban interracial marriages.
Also, it doesn’t imply anything, the preamble refers to a unified multi-ethnic nation. The whole Chinese view on the issue has essentially been anti-racism and working towards ending racial divisions. If such a thing were to be promoted in the west, it would be celebrated.
Well, the whole view far as Chinese propaganda goes. And Trump is making America great again. Mmhmm. Sure.
It’s okay when China does it, but not the “west”
For real. This would be rightly rinsed by people here if these were US ethnic unity laws. Alarm bells should be going off in your mind at the mere mention of “ethnic unity laws.” People here are crazy.
Yeah, everyone’s so mad that slavery was banned and black people were legally obliged to be treated equally. Civil rights act, more like civil rights crap, we hate the idea of equality.
The situation in the US is a bit different though because the US has been doing this for over a hundred years and only turned around “recently” (in my lifetime, in particular via NALA in 1990 for native American languages). The US famously went as far as kidnapping native American children, and the path to any kind of protection has been a long struggle that people still remember. Non-native languages also were systematically eradicated (e.g. famously German after WWII).
At the same time the Civil Rights Act requiring equal access is still interpreted to mean that everybody needs to learn English, state laws still require grading within an English based framework, etc. As a result Americans who grew up in the US can generally speak English, and most people probably consider that a good thing too because in theory it means young Americans are not blocked from climbing the social ladder on grounds of their language.
In contrast, China has 20-30% of Chinese born in China who can’t speak standard Mandarin. There are large differences between more urban and more rural areas. For example, in Shanghai virtually everybody speaks Mandarin and nowadays it has more speakers there than Shanghainese has. But e.g. in Kashgar in the Uyghur AR, around 50% can’t speak Mandarin at all.
In the US you basically have to go to Puerto Rico (which is less integrated than a Chinese AR, e.g. with no voting rights in US elections) to get anything close to that, and even there English is mandatory in schools. Otherwise, Hawaii is the only actual state with two official languages, but Hawaii has very high English proficiency regardless. The same goes for other areas where some other language than English is dominant - the US has areas with >90% Spanish as a first language outside Puerto Rico too, but people there generally also speak English.
So basically if we’re judging these laws by US standards we’re looking at it a bit differently than it looks from a Chinese POV because the US has previously already put significant effort in suppressing languages other than English, which we still remember, and as a result there also is no problem of children of minorities not speaking English and thereby not being able to work and live in most of the US. For the US it would be a regression, but for China it’s also progress in terms of integration and equal rights.
Yeah and all the so-called Marxists on Lemmy are all for it. Ask them if it’s something Israel should do and they disappear.
You got humiliated and I felt sorry for you. I didn’t want to embarrass you more.
Asking if an apartheid ethno-supremacist state needs to adopt a Chinese law safeguarding ethnic differences is completely off topic and delusional. You just don’t know what the fuck you are talking about.
Safeguarding ethnic differences through “assimilate or be punished”
You’re a joke.
You are quoting something that doesn’t exist. Please source me the text where china force assimilation or punish people for having one of the 56 officially recognised ethnicities or shut the fuck up. You are embarrassing yourself.
You have your own eyes and you can read it yourself.
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You’re now banned from .ml because man they have some thin skin there.
Am I really? lol. I block ml so I would never know
Edit: im not :(
