It’s treason then.
As soon as it was evident the new movie was just the old movie, but with an even bigger no moon that could blow up 7 planets at once with red lasers instead of green, I was over it. Seeing the fucking laser arches in a space chase in the other movie just killed any desire to watch more.
I really loved The Last Jedi and how Rian tried to take it in a new direction. But the sequel series was honestly all over the place.
The Force Awakens was good but essentially a copy & paste of A New Hope. While Rise of Skywalker just did a 360 to change what The Last Jedi built upon and threw in Palpatine out of nowhere.
The original trilogy is the only one where all of them were good.
The first half of The Last Jedi is feeling off. I liked the second half though. When the ship is crashing into that monster ship it was such a cool moment in the cinema. Everyone was quiet and then that sound. So cool. I loved how Luke showed up. The betrayal on Snoke and the fight between Kylo and Rey was great too.
But in general I expected something fresh. They could have said that Luke fucked off to learn about Jedi and that not everything is black and white, but no, it has to stay black and white. Jedi good, Sith bad, no in-between. Would’ve made a better story. And then in part three they could’ve solved the issue with coming together for once.
I understand what you mean. I think it would have been nice to have something unique like not all sith are pure evil or not all Jedi are good.
I know some of the other shows portray this concept to varying degrees.
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What I liked the most with The Last Jedi was how Rey was just an ordinary person. Not a Skywalker or someone special and I felt that was really the most interesting aspect to me.
TLJ has 2 major issues IMO.
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Rian severely overdid subversion of expectation. It just doesn’t really work if you do it like 8 times in the same movie, viewers will just stop expecting anything.
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Those giraffe-horses should have been podracers.
Agree on the other points though. RoS was just complete garbage from start to finish.
In regards to 1, eh… I actually kinda wish he’d fully committed to the subversion and had Kylo turn to the Light Side as a kind of “poetic” bookend to Anakin (making the third film one about his redemption; this would also allow us either to learn more about Snoke OR turn Hux into the villain, which I would prefer over what Abrams did to him).
As for 2, when Rose goes “are those…?” I was on the edge of my seat, tapping my friend’s shoulder thinking we were about to see podracers (which is funny because I still really hated The Phantom Menace at that time) and was definitely disappointed when it turned out to be giant cats.
The Last Jedi is my favorite Star Wars film. I also happen to think it’s the best of the entire series. But I dare not speak of this much on the interwebz because Star Wars fans are, as we all know, tame and not given to strong opinions.
The main problem with TLJ is it completely destroyed any potential plot moving forward. That’s why RoS is the way it is; they had to rebuild the story before starting the conclusion.
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Rise of Skywalker stands as maybe the worst movie I’ve ever seen. It’s the rare big-budget blockbuster where you can actually watch the thing fall apart right in front of your eyes. I swear they filmed the first draft of that script. It also feels like Abrams tried to cram his ideas for Episode VIII in there too. Just an awful, awful film that makes Attack of the Clones look like a Kurosawa film in comparison. And that’s really saying something because Attack of the Clones is a bloated mess of a film that is only saved because the casting director is a genius (and, though “fans” hate it, few things match the absolute delight of seeing a little kid’s reaction to Yoda rave-dance fighting after growing accustomed to him as a feeble old muppet–this effect is highlighted if you watch the films in either release or Machete order)
What a factually incorrect article.
They were fine to see once, but I have no interest in seeing them again, unlike the OG trilogy.
I have never seen any Star Wars movie.
They have their flaws like many movies that are space operas. Suspension of disbelief and all that is required. That said there are some just generally good gems that you might like. Rogue One was a good heist movie, The Empire Strikes Back was good because people still told George to stuff it with some of his ideas.
With Disney just ramming so much Star Wars down our throats and much of it mediocre at best, I look at the older works more critically. I think there’s some fun to be had still but I wouldn’t consider them required watching anymore.
You will be incredibly disappointed if you do. It’s like Boomers ramming The Beatles down your throat. It’s religious fantasy.
Eh disagree with the Beatles comparison. Their work stands the test of time, and their influence on music is, in many ways, actually tangible
Ok Boomer, and if you drag your kids to enough Star Wars movies, eventually they will succumb and watch every crap movie in the franchise.
There was a lot of influential music in that era not the Beatles.
You’re really not missing that much. Especially with no nostalgia goggles
The first one of the new set was ok. Slightly darker overtones.
Backing up a bit - the second trilogy had an all-star cast, yet a wooden log had more writing skill, acting ability, and charisma than the people on the screen. It was like people in a classroom being told to take turns reading out loud from the assigned book. The lack of acting and directorial skill was made up with by the abuse and overuse of CGI. Awful. I have never watched the second set since release. Lump the Boba Fett series in with this set, it was so wooden and poorly written they had to bring in the Mandalorian to rescue it.
Han Solo? Throwaway movie. Really didn’t do the character justice. Turned him into an Errol Flynn “Robin Hood”. I think everyone’s forgotten about it even existing.
The new set? Love the practical effects. Way less CGI. Awesome. But now the acting was ridiculous and over the top as were the characters. I know she gets some hate, but I think Ridley did a decent job of it with what she was given. The rest? Meh. Just written crazy with shameless bad writing, merch placement, and trite lines.
We’ll have to see about the new Mando movie.
Best Star Wars? ANH, ESB, R1, Andor. Some of the Mandalorian series. Probably some of the animated ones, but I haven’t watched them.
Eh, turned into more of a critique than I wanted, but I guess I’ll leave it.
Best Star Wars?
The Clone Wars. Hands down.
Bad Batch
The Bad Batch episodes were great. The Bad Batch show was weak IMO.
What do you think of the original trilogy?
Kinda covered that, but ANH (which wasn’t ANH on release…) gets full marks for being first even if it is kinda silly at times. ESB is great. Darker, more serious, the cast and writers hit their stride. ROTJ is pretty much of the same vein as TLJ or TROS. A rehash or retread of already done themes with fluffy happy critters perfect for toy sales. Not great, but not awful. I liked it as a way to say goodbye to characters I never thought I’d see again. Man, was I wrong.
Ok, sorry, I’m not much of a star wars fan and I didn’t recognize the abbrevations.
People absolutely hated the prequels when they came out. They were a joke with badly written dialogue and cartoon characters, at least for the adults of that era. But when the children of that era grew up, these children looked at the prequels with fondness and the bad dialogue became modern viral memes.
So maybe the same will happen with the sequels. The only issue is that social media have ruined the brains of children. I feel all conventional media will soon become irrelevant.
No one has the attention needed to watch a movie anymore, not even in the background while surfing the internet. People just have youtube or twitch or tiktok in the background.
The prequels were made with kids as the target audience. I’m not sure who the target audience was for the sequels, but it wasn’t kids.
With the sheer amount of content available at kids’ fingertips these days I wouldn’t be surprised to see the sequel trilogy completely lost to gen A
There was also a lot less on demand content / media / entertainment available back then. There were no social networks, no mass market smartphones, the internet itself was extremely primitive by modern standards, gaming was a lot more niche.
I was never a huge Star Wars fan, but I of course saw the prequel trilogy in theatres because it was a big deal back then.
I haven’t seen any of the subsequent Star Wars movies except for Rogue One, which I enjoyed a lot. From what I’ve heard most of the new Star Wars fare is aimed at fans and doesn’t really push beyond the barrier of the Star Wars concept.
Attention span isn’t a relevant concept in the abstract, you are grumbling at the sky meaninglessly.
The Prequel memes work because everyone has seen those movies, not because the Prequel movies themselves were good.
Yeah, cause collectively they were mid asf.
Force Awakens was reheated “A New Hope” leftovers, but I guess if you had to start with something memorable for a reintroduction to the Star Wars universe, you can’t go wrong with a soft remake of the one that started it all.
I actually found The Last Jedi to be an interesting story, if not a decent movie with interesting ideas that could be capitalized on in the sequel.
Unfortunately that was not the case, and Rose of Skywalker, along with Obi-Wan and Mando season 3 torpedoed any interest I had as a relative newcomer to the Star Wars franchise. Side projects like Visions have kept my interest only because the anthology format allows for unique narratives and perspectives. It’s why I loved Tartakovsky’s Clone Wars.
I keep hearing amazing things about Andor and Maul: Shadow Lord, and I believe the hype wholeheartedly, but damn, after being inundated with Disney Star Wars year after year after year, I’m sick and tired of (modern) Star Wars.
Ok but for real Andor is only a Star Wars show because of setting. The story, dialogue, etc are all a cut above anything else. Most of the things you think of with Star Wars (light sabers, the Force, etc) are really not part of the story. I hope you’ll give it a chance because I’m not a huge fan of Star Wars (OT is good but that’s about it for me) but Andor is fantastic.
Just finished episode 8 of the second season of Andor and it is really something special.
Taking a break for a day or two to process what happened. The thinly veiled analogy strikes hard.
Star Wars doesn’t need lightsabers or the Force any more than Marvel needs Iron Man or Captain America. They’re both good, and they’re a couple of the most iconic parts of the franchise, but both Star Wars and Marvel are big universes, and they can both tell stories totally separate from those popular touchstones.
Andor is by a large distance the most fully-realized and profound Star Wars anything and they manage to do it in all directions: the action is good and in the spirit of the original Star Wars trilology, the characters are believable and not cardboard deep (unlike the original triology), the context of the store is fully realized believable societies
The story is mainly consistent and believable, with various threads that criss-cross in a natural and coherent way and are eventually brought all the way to a conclusion and no further - the latter a rarity for TV Series, which tend to end not at a natural conclusion of a story but instead past the end of the story and after “just one more” (sometimes two) seasons are forced in, which are shit. In Andor, maybe only a few things in the last few episodes of the last season felt like they’ve been forcefully wrapped up to reach a conclusion but mainly the whole thing just naturally reached an ending.
Shit, even the architecture and wardrobe design are consistent and memorable in those things which weren’t “inherited” from previous Movies and Series in the Star Wars universe - Ghorman especially is visually a fully believable and realized environment nicelly entwinned and consistent with traditional Star Wars universe elements.
Andor is, however, not the pure roller coaster of action that the original triology is.
I would recommend the Original Triology and Rogue Squadron as exciting roller coasters of action in a fully realized futuristic sci-fi environment and Andor as a good long-form story, with depth, well written, fully realized, well acted and with great production values that happens to take place in the Star Wars universe (so it also ticks the pleasant memories of those who grew up with the Triology) and does have plenty of Action, whilst being a lot more than just that.
Nobody hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans.
As an idea, it’s fantastic with limitless potential. As a finished product, it’s two and a half good movies, and two good series.
Narcos cast members unironically did more for Star Wars than the Skywalker family ever did.
2.5 Movies
Are you cherry picking, or summing the total of all 9?
About half of A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back, and Rogue One.
I said what I said.
Whatever it is that is missing does this: me, I fall aslee mid movie. My kids don’t give one flying Fuch about the plot or anything. There’s no action and a ton of not much.
They forgot it’s a space opera. Nobody watches star wars for the character development or plot.
The last two of the new trilogy are borderline unwatchable. Just abysmal, b-movie level storytelling.
I think people have forgotten how to write good movies since it’s been such a long period of remakes and franchise garbage.
Plus corporate greed and algorithms have resulted in cookie cutter scripts that “should please the largest amount of people” or some shit like that.
Everything is made to me inoffensive to anyone and appeal to the widest variety of people.
There’s no movies that tailor to a specific audience anymore, where 20-30% of people will think it’s amazing, instead 40-60% of people might think “meh, might as well watch it”
I think people have forgotten how to write good movies
No, they still write good movies. The problem is that the money-men will not fund good movies because all they want is a big return on their investment. That means that they only fund sequels and spinoffs of previously successful properties. Only on rare occasions does anything new get funded and even then the decision is based on something other than the quality of the story.
There are lots of good stories out there that will never get turned into movies or shows simple because the people who make the decisions are trying to make money rather than art.
Hey don’t insult b-movies
I have absolutely no desire to see any of the three again, sadly
I gave Disney the benefit of the doubt when they shelved the EU and JJ talked about doing something completely new. I was impressed by the lengths they went to to get the look right (even hunting down the original lenses). I went to quite some lengths avoiding spoilers.
It didn’t take long in cinema to realise I was watching a soft reboot trying to dismantle the original trilogy. I felt betrayed and disgusted. Since then I haven’t touched anything Star Wars and completely started to boycott everything Disney.
If you ever decide to try again, I would recommend Rogue One and Andor. They’re the best movie and best show to come out of the nonsense.
Well, Andor seems to be worth the watch. But I’m not subbing to Disney for that and generally share your sentiment. One of these days I’ll find Andor in Discs…
Andor is the best piece of Art to come out of Star Wars. It transcends the IP as a piece that I would recommend to anyone, while only enriching the original material/world for those that have seen at least some of the original (6) movies.
I hope you find it and watch it any way you can 🦜🏴☠️
I just realised that TFA might have done more than just killing my interest in Star Wars. I think that was the last time I actually went and watched a movie in cinema.
Edit: Holy macaroni! It really has been more than 10 years since I went to the cinema…
Same here. After Rogue One, I got really excited about the new movies. Thought TFA was a fluke, but the next one was far worse. Stopped going to the cinema after that. Then I had kids, and now I’m going again, to see Spongebob and Super Mario. How the mighty have fallen…
They should have had Jon Favreau write and direct all three of them.
Sequels trilogy is not canon! (・へ・)
