I keep saying it again and again, but this is the future of European politics. The “progressive” brand of politics that was very pro-immigration in the 2000s and 2010s is dead. The establishment parties that are choosing to cling to it are going to get burned by this gamble.
The reality is that Western Europe handled immigration horribly and there are real issues and people are facing real consequences. The reasonable course of action to address these issues and try to resolve them. However, establishment parties simply refuse to do anything. They either pretend these issues don’t exist or that they’re not that bad, and then blame any criticism of these issues or policies as racists. It is a stupid and elitist approach that is leading people to seek out alternatives.
What’s the alternative? It’s these far right parties, they’re the only ones who address the issues of immigration and want to do something about them. The polls regularly show that these far right parties are entirely fueled by anti-immigration sentiment. That is why people flock to them and why they’re relevant. Their prominence in European politics sends a loud statement as to the failures of the establishment parties. They’re so incompetent and out of touch, that they’re being bested by foreign funded grifter parties that offer worse policies and more extreme rhetoric.
But it doesn’t have to be this way. These far right parties are only inevitable if the establishment parties double down on their mistakes. But what if they don’t do that? What if they wise up and adapt to the current political climate, what would happen? Well there is a country who’s establishment parties did this, and that’s Denmark. It is the only Western European country where it’s establishment left wing parties figured out the secret formula. They kept the popular economic and social policies, but also adopted a reasonable anti-immigration platform to match the will of the people, and guess what? It worked, Denmark doesn’t have a far right party surging in the polls. They kept what worked, and fixed what didn’t, thus leading them to neutralize the far right. This is the model that the rest of Europe is going to find itself adopting sooner or later.
A country should never give into its worst tendencies. There has been plenty of racism already, more isn’t going to fix it and it won’t fix you.
Maybe you are agreeing, but it’s unclear.
Adopting a reasonable immigration policy isn’t giving into their worst tendencies, it’s dealing with a situation in a responsible manner, so that extremists don’t fill the vacuum with THEIR unreasonable solutions.
Equating reasonable immigration policy with racism is false and wrong. This is the mentality that the far right exploits to boost their popularity. If the left refuses to be practical and flexible on immigration policy, then their inability to adapt will be their downfall. Europe has to follow the Danish model or these far right parties will continue to grow in popularity and win elections… That’s not a future I want to see
Removed by mod
“reasonable racism” rather than taxing the rich and providing for people. Cringe
I don’t know if you’re intentionally being stupid or not, but Denmark isn’t America. Denmark doesn’t have massive untapped reserves of mega corporations or the giga billionaires that don’t pay taxes and control a massive chunk of the country’s wealth like the US. In fact, the opposite is true. Denmark has one of the lowest wealth and income inequality levels in the world. It’s people already have one of the highest tax rates in the world, and the country is one of the most efficiently run. Denmark is at or near it’s capacity, so where is this magical money going to come from?
Not to mention that there are way more issues with uncontrolled immigration than just economic. Large uncontrolled influxes of people lead to very real and serious social and political problems. Take a look at nearby Sweden and how they’re having massive issues with skyrocketing crime rates fueled by second and third generation immigrants or nearby Germany whose immigrant populations aren’t integrating very well which is leading to the AfD to dominate the polls.
Denmark figured out that listening to people like is a mistake. Reasonable immigration policy is not racist, and the country needs to properly address it’s issues and reform it’s immigration system to reflect the will of it’s citizenry… like a functional democracy would. And you know what? They’re better off for it. Denmark doesn’t have radicalized immigrant communities, it doesn’t have a homegrown far right movement, integration and assimilation aren’t as big of issues as elsewhere in Western Europe, and they have kept their economic policies, progressive values, and social cohesion in tact.
This is the issue with people like you, you reject practical policies in favor of nonsensical ideological drivel. You have no idea what’s going on and what you’re proposing doesn’t even reflect reality, but that won’t stop from making confidently incorrect declarations.
We should scoop in your throat imo. You’re too dumb to realize your policy destroys life. My wife is threated like a second class citizen and according to some racist retards like yourself i don’t have the right to sponsor her visa. Some well meaning white wingers reached the threshold just now, for the same reason as you, “reasonable immigration”.
You have no idea what’s fucking going on scumbag
That’s a whole lot of words to try and justify racism.
Reasonable immigration policy is not racism, you’re a part of the problem that’s fueling the far right.
Just so everyone knows what ‘reasonable’ immigration policies Denmark has that this guy is touting, they’re all hardline far-right immigration policies.
Highlights include stealing all valuables from asylum seekers and leaving them with literally fucking nothing to ‘justify paying for their stay,’ rejecting asylum applicants if their specific area of their country is not actively under attack (because wars NEVER spread to involve other sections of the same country), any municipality with too high of a population of migrants is deemed a ghetto and demolished, the government attempted to house all immigrants on an isolated island whose only other purpose was a centre for contagious animals (I wish I was making this up), etc etc. The UN officially considers Danish immigration policies to be ‘incompatible’ with human rights, and to disproportionately impact racial and ethnic minorities.
Denmark doesn’t have far right parties gaining power on the back of immigration rhetoric because they’ve already achieved it.
This is just racism, and don’t let anyone concern troll you into thinking otherwise.
Denmark’s immigration policies aren’t some secret, they’re actually very transparent and straightforward. You and everybody else can read them on the official Danish websites or get a summary of them on Wikipedia:
As you can see, nothing here is racist or far right. This is just bullshit fearmongering on your part. If anything, I would argue that these policies are actually reasonable. Calling the Danish left wing parties far right demonstrates that you’re too out of touch for this conversation. Going completely brain dead and blindingly screaming racism at any sort of immigration policy isn’t left wing politics, that’s just being childish.
Removed by mod
You got your other account banned, eh? Not surprising, but ban evasion is against the rules here
Removed by mod
Removed by mod
You realize you literally just linked a page that verifies everything I said wrong with the Danish system, right? And I didn’t call Danish left wing parties far right, I called the immigration policy far-right.
Take your sealioning elsewhere.
You calling it so doesn’t make it so. The stats back the notion that Denmark has a successful model compared to the rest of Europe.
Successful at outnazying the nazis
What stats prove ‘success’? That racist immigration policies reduce immigration? That’s not a success, that’s isolation and stagnation.
Removed by mod
“reasonable racism”
“Why is the far right surging in the polls”
This mentality is your answer
Removed by mod
I really hope France has nukes in Germany this go around.
France is going down the same path, as are Italy and Spain.
France’s people are revolting better than most. There’s hope for them. Italy I have low expectations for.
Most voted party is still far-right, at least Italians just organized a general strike against genocide in Palestine.
Do you have a country for me to fuck off to in a few years.
Any stable democracies?
Iceland
We don’t need any more tourists, thank you.
How about citizens?
Considering they have an app there to make sure the person you’re chatting with at the bar isn’t too close of a cousin to fuck, I’d say they can probably use a few of those.
deleted by creator
¿Porque no los both?
Canada is my only hope. Please Canadians, don’t go insane, too.
If you believe that you haven’t been watching. Conservatives nearly got a majority last election.
Ya. That was lucky how badly they fucked up.
Ireland didn’t elect McGregor as president. They might be worth your time.
deleted by creator
I don’t understand why the billionaires think they are somehow off limits or immune to social chaos. They will always be surrounded by the working class, since someone needs to cook their food, wash their clothes, and raise their kids.
They are creating compounds, underground bunkers, they have islands and mega yachts, and they are even trying to get into space. They know what their plans are, and they know it will get really, really bad at some point, and they do not plan on being among the rest of us when that happens.
deleted by creator
russian backed afd party too.
Fascism is back like in the late 1920s, we all know what happened right after.
NGL, I dont know what happens after this time. It seems like the entire west is turning to fascism so I’m not really sure who’d fight it
What gets me is that it’s all a response to the generally centre right governments focusing on business for the last 45 years. Government has forgotten about the individual in the west. And the people have had enough.
Why then, do they turn further right? This should be bonanza time for the left.
- Far right parties are happy to tell lies to get into power, so the people hear what they want to hear.
- 100 years is too long for living memory to survive.
The left gained a lot but mostly from the green party. Afd voters are lumpenproletariat that is unable to read. If they could read they would not vote against their interests.
The answer is the conservative propaganda machine, and the USA is a prime example.
Everything that made America “great” post WW2 were “socialist” driven labour, regulatory movements that decreased wealth inequality, improved economic mobility and housing security, increased quality of life and education, held corporate criminals accountable, etc, etc.
Wealthy sociopaths took that personally, and have spent the last 55 years destroying all of them; mainly through their ownership of media and dissemination of propaganda/disinformation, destruction of education. They chose fascism over improving the species and civilisation. They are our great filter, if we let them succeed.
They’re creating a system in which millions have to die for them to win and dozens have to die for us to win. I know which odds I’m taking in that bet.
Yeah, but thanks to their control of the media, they’ve also created a system where millions will leap to defend them while demonizing anyone who criticizes them. When things get truly dire, they’ll just point at some random demographic and say “it’s their fault!” and their followers will eat it up.
I’d love for them to face consequences for their actions, but going by history they’ll keep getting away with things until an ally backstabs them for power or the regime has eaten itself and fully fallen.
That’s true but as the saying goes “cut off the head of the snake and the body dies”. Eventually followers have no one left to follow whereas the other group has no real leaders. Once enough realize it’s a numbers game the outcome is easy enough to predict. The situation just needs to be viewed in a slightly different way than most people are conditioned to view it in.
That may be a big perspective shift but most of the constraints to our perceived available responses come from the desire to continue living within the confines of a social contract that is rapidly deteriorating. Most people haven’t begun to feel that directly yet but once they do the situation could change very quickly.
I think that violence is inevitable which is what you are saying between the lines.
A couple years ago these stories broke that ultra rich are prepping for doomsday scenarios like in mad max where some horde is trying to storm their compound and they just defend themselves until everything blows over.
They do not plan on having most of humanity around. The time to stop them is now, not when everything is lost and they hide in their bunker.
The unresolved issues caused by low birth rates and high immigration from incompatible cultures leading to less social cohesion in society.
I’m not sure anyone really fought it last time. The wars didn’t start until Germany started invading other nations which is what started the shooting.
The US didn’t even enter the war until it was bombed.
“We fought fascism” is a bit of retroactive justification IMHO. We didn’t, we were just defending ourselves from fascists who attacked first.
If Hitler stayed in Germany… Who knows?
I’m not sure anyone really fought it last time
25+ million Soviet people died in the struggle against fascism, resulting in 80% of the total Nazi casualties being in the eastern front. Please don’t insult the memory of the heroes who died saving Europe from fascism.
Also, I’m a Spaniard. Anarchists in Spain organized and fought fascism in the Spanish civil war, with Soviet assistance too back in 1936-1939. If you’re not sure who fought fascism, I urge you to educate yourself in communist/anarchist movements.
The Soviet Union invaded Poland and Finland. It was an expansionist imperialist power itself.
They had a blatant disregard for the lives of their own people before WW2 even started as well as afterwards. Sacrificing the masses was state policy.
The Soviet Union invaded the famously Polish cities of looks map… Lviv (6th largest city in modern Ukraine), Pinsk (10th largest city in modern Belarus) and Vilnius (capital of Lithuania)? Most of the territories invaded by the Soviets in “Poland” were actually Ukrainian, Belarusian and Lithuanian territories that had been invaded by Poland in their 1919 expansionist war against Ukraine. Or are you a Ukrainophobe saying that Lviv belongs to Poland?
For reference: Poland in 1938
And a map of the territories the Soviets invaded:
The USSR had a blatant disregard for the lives of their own people before WW2, which explains why life expectancy looks at chart …increased from 30ish years old to 40+?
Your own map shows Lviv/Lwow to be a Polish city.
Russian maps from 2015 show Crimea to be Russian, do you agree it’s a Russian city? My entire point is that Lviv, one of the most important cities in Ukraine, was invaded by Poland in 1919. Soviets “invading” it in 1939 effectively meant returning it to Ukraine.
25+ million Soviet people died in the struggle against fascism, resulting in 80% of the total Nazi casualties being in the eastern front. Please don’t insult the memory of the heroes who died saving Europe from fascism.
I’m not trying to minimize anything here. The Soviet Union had a non-aggression pact with Germany and they didn’t “fight against fascism” until Germany invaded. Meaning “there being Nazis” wasn’t the trigger of that fighting, it was “Germany invaded us”. But then sure, it was “fighting against fascism” because it was “fascists” invading. But it could have been anyone invading.
It’s a subtle distinction I’m making.
Also, I’m a Spaniard. Anarchists in Spain organized and fought fascism in the Spanish civil war, with Soviet assistance too back in 1936-1939. If you’re not sure who fought fascism, I urge you to educate yourself in communist/anarchist movements.
This is fair - I was thinking mostly of the main Axis/Allies conflict. I’m also over-simplifying a bit in that I’m focusing mostly on leadership. I understand that there were grassroots efforts. And Spain definitely had its own fascism problem where the people did fight directly against fascism.
Though as an aside: I can think of no more of an obnoxious phrase than “educate yourself”. 🙄
they didn’t “fight against fascism” until Germany invaded
Did you not read my comment? I specifically mentioned the Soviets being the only country in the world that meaningfully helped the antifascists in Spain with weapons, tanks, artillery and aviation, back in 1936, 3 years before the start of WW2 while all of western Europe was doing appeasement with the Nazis and “non-intervention” against fascism in my homeland.
Before the start of the war, the Soviets were famously trying to urge all of Europe against Fascism and in particular against Nazi Germany through mutual defense agreements. They signed one with Czechoslovakia together with France, which France refused to honour (see Munich Betrayal), which, and I quote Wikipedia: “The Soviet Union announced its willingness to come to Czechoslovakia’s assistance, provided the Red Army would be able to cross Polish and Romanian territory; both countries refused.”, again back in 1938, before any Fascist invasion of the Soviets. Furthermore, the USSR under the Litvinov doctrine sought after mutual defense agreements with Poland, France and England, to the point of offering to send ONE MILLION SOLDIERS to France (Archive mirror to bypass paywall) together with tanks, aviation and artillery to France on exchange for a mutual defense agreement, which France declined.
Looking into Soviet interwar policy, it’s patently obvious that they were the strongest antifascist formation in Europe except possibly for the Spanish republicans during the Spanish civil war.
I’m also over-simplifying a bit in that I’m focusing mostly on leadership
My point stands though. Fascism was fought predominantly by Communist and Anarchist leadership. China against fascist Japan, Cuban revolutionaries against fascist dictator Batista, Spanish Republican government in the Spanish civil war… Whereas it was capitalist countries funding fascist coups all over the world such as that of Augusto Pinochet in Chile against socialdemocrat Allende, the Iranian coup against socialist-aligned Mosaddeq…
Did you not read my comment?
Yes I did - and you’re making excellent points - don’t do this though. You want to harden somebody against you? You say shit like this.
My point stands though. Fascism was fought predominantly by Communist and Anarchist leadership. China against fascist Japan, Cuban revolutionaries against fascist dictator Batista, Spanish Republican government in the Spanish civil war… Whereas it was capitalist countries funding fascist coups all over the world such as that of Augusto Pinochet in Chile against socialdemocrat Allende, the Iranian coup against socialist-aligned Mosaddeq…
I’ll accept your argument.
Yeah, you’re actually right. Sorry for being a smug ass, I guess I’m sensitive about this part of history which is heavily misunderstood and propagandized against socialists like me, but you’re right and I’ll try to be more chill about it. Thanks for the chat
What do you think about Russia Ukraine in today’s context? Thanks
Unfortunately, both of them suffered the illegal and antidemocratic dissolution of the USSR, which led to the greatest humanitarian crisis and loss of life in Europe since WW2, with scholars such as Paul Cockshott estimating the deaths in more than 5 million after demographic analysis of the region, with Ukraine being hit especially hard due to becoming the poorest country in Europe after the dismantling of its entire economy in the 90s. Unemployment, depression, alcoholism, homelessness, drug addiction, violent crime, mental health problems and even hunger and preventable disease turned the 90s and early 2000s into some of the worst that Europe has seen in more than half a century, and I therefore condemn the capitalist government of both countries extensively for all the damage they’re doing to their own populations.
So what was that holodomor thing about, harmless right? Great leap forward also awesome did not kill anyone. Good talk man…
“Holodomor” is just a scary word to refer to the 1931-1933 Soviet famine. Do you also use special scary words to describe capitalist-driven famines such as the Bengal Famine that the British created in India, or is it a privilege only reserved for the last serious non-war-made famine in the USSR?
Famines, believe it or not, were commonplace in preindustrial Russian Empire, which had a terribly low life expectancy. Between 1917 (Bolshevik revolution) and 1941 (Soviet Union entering WW2) life expectancy rose from 30 years to about 41. The Socialist project in Eastern Europe made some mistakes, such as errors in the collectivization of 1929-1934 during the first 5-year plan that led to unexpected sabotage and failed crops, but ultimately these mistakes were more than compensated for through social policy, universal healthcare and education, and probably most importantly, enabling the industrialization of the Soviet Union that allowed for the mechanization of agriculture and the end of famines (which by itself saved millions of lives) and the win against the Nazis 10 years afterwards (which by itself saved tens of millions of lives from the planned genocide against the slavic peoples by the Nazis according to the Generalplan Ost. The Soviet project saved tens if not millions of lives from hunger, disease, exploitation, and worst of all, colonisation and extermination by Nazis.
Yeah, history doesn’t provide much help in this regard because fascism was stopped by the Axis losing a war. That’s not happening this time.
And even then nazis were still everywhere in the government, courts, police, army and everywhere else. Hell, some old new generals of newly formed Bundeswehr even had plans to overthrow the government.
Entnazification is a myth, they were never gone and now they don’t even need to hide anymore.
Just like the American Confederacy! Turns out you can’t just ignore the bastards and hope they change.
fascism was stopped by the Axis losing a war. That’s not happening this time.
What do you mean? NATO can’t even win a war against similarly fascist Russia, Rutte himself said that Russia (an impoverished country with less GDP than Germany) produces ammo 4 times as fast as the entirety of NATO. Whenever western fascism inevitably engages militarly against China, it will be swiftly swept out of the map by the strongest industrial power in history.
It’ll be the communist in China who will fight fascism. But even China’s claim as being a communist is questionable since the 1990’s.
Surely the fascists pretending to be communist will save us from the fascists pretend to be democratic!
How is China fascist? It hasn’t participated in a war in 40 years, it lifted 800mn people from poverty, has strong public healthcare, education and retirement, and routinely cancels sovereign debt from global-south countries. I went to China last year and people there are pretty happy and hopeful for the future compared to our bleak outlook here in the west.
God, I love triggering Tankies.
I suspect the people benefiting from the rise of fascism in the States seem pretty happy too.
Westerners hate China and hate Muslims, but for some reason care so much about Chinese Muslims. Notice how even the Wikipedia article title got changed from “Genocide” to “Persecution”, I wonder why that is.
You, as a westerner of a country actively supporting actual genocide in Palestine, the one you can actually go online TODAY and watch videos of how many kids got bombed yesterday, are criticising the Chinese government for a harsh reeducation campaign in a province that hosted radical Islamist groups carrying out terror attacks in China which killed hundreds of people. Your fucking homeland of Canada (assuming from your instance) has all but eliminated the native populations of the region, and you have the courage of crying “TaNkIe” because I think that a country that uplifted 1/10th the world population from poverty in 30 years is admirable in that regard.
Ah yes, build a strawman “westerner,” surely that’ll help you. I wasn’t praising Canada’s practices, but whatever helps you project, I guess. My favorite part of your entire neurotic rant, honestly, is that you defend genocide by pointing to a worse genicide, like somehow that makes every insane, disgusting, and anti-humanitarian thing China had done totally fine, because, “but the West is worse!”
You can think whatever you want, but my suspicion is that you’re either lying or terribly misled. And yes, probably a tankie, but there’s room for error there.
“Say what you want about Hitler, but he pulled Germany out of poverty!”
But who’s going to be the Allies this time?
Peter Thiel, Elon Musk, and others will make sure there will be no “Allies” this time…
China. It’s the socialist industrial power of today, and the west keeps positioning itself geopolitically against it.
Keep pumping that social credit.
Tiananmen Square mothefucker.
I’m a Spaniard who proudly participated in the sabotage of La Vuelta Ciclista in favour of Palestine just over a week ago with my communist organization, and who yesterday was glueing signs in Madrid calling for the Student Strike on the 2nd of October and the general protest on the 4th of October pushing for a general strike against genocide. You’re attacking the wrong people here, the enemies are European fascists, not European communists.
“Social credit” was straight up never a policy that happened on any national level in China. There were some city-level attempts at a similar system, but they were condemned by the government.
You can see what’s happening in the USA, Germany. That’s really what you want for yourself? Again?
Pretty much all the adults from WWII are dead. Notice we’re doing the same stupid shit? Gilded Age wealth gap, tariffs, fascism, heading for a depression, etc.?
I have no part in this. Neither do my peers. Lies, deception, easy answers to complex questions and a lack in education are doing this.
Yes. Unfortunately people are that dumb.
I believe the results mainly reflect the anti-immigration sentiment.
I’m a naturalized immigrant in Germany myself and don’t understand the trend at all. I imagine that supporting certain immigration groups might stretch the social support system in the country, but it’s the faulty of the system itself, no? I get the vibe that it’s the immigrants who are the problem, and that we are somehow worse humans than the natives and set our minds on causing problems just for the fuck of it.
Can someone explain why immigration is a problem for Europe? It seem to be the good old xenophobia… Or maybe I’m biased.
it’s a “problem” just about everywhere right now, I’m in Canada and the anti-Indian rhetoric is through the roof here.
why? Because we’re all collectively broke. If there wasn’t an immigration issue, and we were still all collectively broke, then the blame would fall on the backs of people even poorer than us.
When the cost of living is unaffordable everywhere, when there’s no housing anywhere, when jobs are hard to obtain the defacto fall back crutch is…blame the immigrants. History doesn’t repeat but it sure as fuck rhymes.
It seems that the article only mentions numbers for Frankfurt.
The strategy laid out in Foundations of Geopolitics in 1997 is being implemented
FUCK
Well one of the downside of learning German after living blissfully ignorant for over a decade here is that I can now understand Germans talking around me, and holy fuck have I been exposed to such rampant racism. Kinda explains both the Nazi past, and the current popularity of AfD, and upcoming future Holocaust 2.0.
To be honest the far right is up in a lot of places.
This is a result of the ever growing divide between the rich and the poor, the cost of living crisis, the AI future where a lot of young individuals are struggling finding jobs, the unaffordability of living spaces, etc.
Look what is happening in the US, that’s what’s scarier, where the right-wing is thriving and they are turning into an autocratic state, with suppression of civil liberties, abuse of power, etc. And they are desperately trying to export this ideology across the Atlantic. They don’t want a strong EU, that can threaten their hegemony and they consider the EU as a threat, long gone are the days of friendship and partnership.
Germans for you: https://youtu.be/6MSMjuhJ224
The German government has to get going to finally show some tangible results. The last government, at least at the end, did basically nothing, the current one is not fulfilling its promises, either, and people are left standing, seeing that money is spent everywhere but for the peoples needs.
The chancellor is 100% in the pockets of the rich, so properly taxing the top 5% to get the money to fix things is completely out of question. But that is a problem other governments seem to have, too. As if fairly taxing the rich was against some physical law of the universe. Or if taxing capital income as high as income from work would open the gates of hell.
Correction for you: the last government was heavily criticized by the media about the most absurd things nonstop for years.
The media could have used all this energy to write against the afd and we would have a different result now. Apparently it was more important to shit on a left wing liberal government than to save democracy.
Our worst chancellor since 1945 used the program of the afd as his own to keep them small. This never works. This always legitimizes right wing populist parties and does not weaken them.
The current government may not even last 4 years and then its pro Putin fascists in power.
That’s the problem. The current government has to deliver. FAST. And they have not understood that yet, I’m afraid.
Do better, Germany
It’s the scars of reunification. The east has a lot of people left behind.
Nah its scars of not doing anything to fight the bad guys and just “carrying on” until the fucming mold just keeps on growing.
It’s not the scars of reunification. The same trend happens in France, Italy or Spain. It’s the European neoliberal capitalist austerity model.
Spot anything?
Yes, it should have been done much better
Eastern Germany is like the US South in that regard.
Then what is Bavaria?
Edit: I guess Bavaria is analogous to Texas more than the mid or deep south.
Having spent a ton of time in Bavaria, yeah, it’s closer to Texas or the Midwest than the South.
Sorry can’t. Police and courts will stop anyone from taking out nazis themselves.
Danke, Fotzenfritz!
Der wollte doch die Faschos halbieren, oder?
Yo, läuft super.
Is there any context to add which makes it less appalling than it seems?
Based on my conversation with some Germans, even if afd did have the most offices held, they wouldn’t have the majority. The other parties would tend to work together and afd would tend to be on their own.
A party not having the majority doesn’t stop fascism from taking over as Germany well knows.
Not a guarantee, just a qualifier to show it’s not a “done deal” to save someone a degree of dread.
This is only partially correct. The CDU (conservatives) has growing faction in it that wants to “normalize” relations with AfD and enter a coalition with them. Steigbügelhalter is gonna halt Steigbügel.
There isn’t a federal election until 2029, so these polls really don’t matter.
that is not true. it is a snapshot of current voter mentality. if this doesn’t turn around it’s only going to grow and get worse. that’s what this is useful for.
Right and the mentality has almost 4 years to change and a lot of things can happen in 4 years. Which is why the current mentality really doesn’t matter.
You were doing great. I agree with you on the facts, your conclusion is baffling though. The polls don’t matter right this second, but mentality absolutely does. What planet do you live on where cause and effect have no relation?
Well, feel free to worry about the polls every week then.
Here is an articles that explains why these weekly “fake elections” polls might actually be harmful to democracy (German).
I am confused does thise poll matters or not? In your first comment you said in doesn’t, on your latest you are saying that those polls hurt democracy so that mean it has an effect and that it matter
Poor effort. Neither subject change relates to what has been said.
And just humor your daftness, there’s actual studies (global) that show indifference and obliviousness to current events are more harmful to democracy than any other single factor
It rarely change unless there is an unexpected event
The snapshot is not necessarily accurate thought. Who answers polls now other than political extremists?
That’s the attitude that got America where it is. Stamp that shit out now.
So what exactly do you suggest to do? I don’t vote for them and I don’t know people that vote for them (or at least they don’t tell me). What am I supposed to do with the next weekly poll that as not consequences? If some asshole drives his car into a crowd tomorrow … and he happens to be brown enough, their poll will go up again. But in 4 years that won’t matter anymore.
So what am I supposed to do with this info? Also, even if they stay at their current polling for 4 years that doesn’t mean they’ll get to govern. Unless they manage to get 50+%, they have to form a coalition. It’s unlikely.
I just don’t see the value this kind of reporting adds. The headline might as well be “things continue to be be shitty”.
Right and the current government is right-wing neoliberals. They’re only going to make everyone’s lives worse so unless die Linke manages to drastically improve its reach, the discontented masses will continue to move towards fascism.
Once die Linke stops sucking Russian cock they can have my vote on the federal level. They got 4 years to make it happen.
What do they do in this manner?
The are generally pacifists and reject military spending. The official party program still contains the goal of leaving NATO and forming a defensive alliance with Russia.
To be fair, a lot of their politicians have softened their stance on these issue in the face of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine but, at least from my perspective, the party itself still clings to overly idealistic policies that are just absurd in the current geopolitical climate.
The do have very good domestic policies though and I’d vote for them in local and state elections (sadly I can’t because I live abroad). But for my federal vote, they really have to update their stance on foreign policies.
