• ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online
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    2 months ago

    I’ve been working on fully cutting out alcohol from my diet. I tried for years but I think I am finally succeeding. Haven’t had a drink in almost two months.

    • NoSpotOfGround@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      I hate that alcohol, such an obvious health detriment, is so ingrained in culture that people don’t even question it… Your link makes it worse!

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        2 months ago

        Like the link points out, we were drinking before we had written language.

        It’s a matter of dealing with life on life’s terms. The reality is that people like drinking. Sometimes people drink too much, and a few unlucky folks can’t drink anything without risking death.

        I ocne read a story about a Vietnam era war correspondent. He was a pacifist before going to cover combat and seeing combat up close made him hate war even more.

        At one point a publisher asks him to contribute an article that ‘deglamorizes war.’

        He wrote back that deglamorizing war would be as easy as deglamorizing sex.

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      With one important difference: Wine was often diluted back then and beer was not as strong as it is today, so it was much less dangerous on the whole, and it was so weak that even children drank it instead of the terrible water of the time. Though they also drank water when it was good.

  • Damage@slrpnk.net
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    2 months ago

    Older males in my family were all diabetic by my age. The main difference between us? I don’t drink wine with my meals. Idk if that’s a coincidence, but it makes me wonder.

  • Nidandelsa@sh.itjust.works
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    2 months ago

    Had to do a double take with that image, the last time I saw it was in the instructions for how to use a menstrual cup. 😳

    • The_v@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      That analysis statistically was terrible and the title is disingenuous and misrepresents the data set.

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        2 months ago

        Alcohol is a drug that causes harm, more harm than most illegal substances. Alcohol is ranked between heroin and cocaine. Link

        Although this UK study has it ranked above heroine and cocaine Link

        Of course it being legal and available is a contributing factor, but there’s just better substances we could choose to make the chosen legal recreational drug for society.

        • TheGreatRapsBeat@lemmy.world
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          Like Canada. We just need to outlaw the alcohol. But, alcohol consumption is down considerably since legalization of cannabis, and even more so with younger of age generations.

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            Yeah legalizing less harmful drugs will definitely help. Unfortunately a lot of the world is still fully under the influence of 1960’s propaganda.

            • TheGreatRapsBeat@lemmy.world
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              2 months ago

              Boomers. We call them boomers. An this is just one social paradigm the majority of them share that is harmful to society along with hoarding wealth and fucking up the housing market.

  • Malyca@lemmy.zip
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    2 months ago

    While all of this is true and concerning, now is not the time to raw dog reality.

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    2 months ago

    They also found that drinking raises the risk of:

    …sexually transmitted infections

    This statement really made we wonder if they thought about actual causality at all.

    • teohhanhui@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      From a summary:

      Drinking damages the liver and may make the body more vulnerable to infectious diseases, including sexually transmitted infections and tuberculosis.

      Or from the review itself:

      Infectious disease

      The causal impact of alcohol on the four broad categories of infectious disease from the last Global Status Report on Alcohol and Health [1] has been confirmed in recent reviews [15, 16]. The main biological mechanism involves alcohol-induced liver dysfunction, which disrupts both non-specific innate and adaptive immune responses through acute and chronic alcohol consumption [80-84]. Lowered immune responses increase susceptibility to communicable diseases. More specific biological pathways are described in the references listed in Table 1.

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    2 months ago

    This is just silly. Every single thing they list can be caused by something other than alcohol except for fetal alcohol syndrome. From from the “root.”

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      By that logic, is it silly to say that the root issue of someone’s heart stopping was the bullet that passed through it, because a knife through the heart was the root issue that caused someone else’s heart to stop?

      There’s different ways to get dementia. Alcohol consumption is the root cause of one of them, as well as 61 other diseases. If you get dementia and they run tests, they might find that the root cause of your dementia is alcohol consumption. They might find it’s a different toxic substance you were exposed to, or they might find it was genetic. That’s the root cause of your dementia. The study and article obviously aren’t saying that alcohol is the root cause of everyone’s dementia, or the 61 other diseases it causes.

      It is saying that someone who wouldn’t have otherwise dealt with dementia or 61 other diseases could get them purely due to alcohol consumption, making it the root cause of their disease.

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        « Could » is the word. It literally means: we don’t know. It stays an assumption.

        BTW, was Paracelsus considered in the study?

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          If you get a disease that you wouldn’t have gotten had you not consumed alcohol, then the alcohol consumption is the root cause of your disease. The study found 61 diseases for which this is the case for different people

          As I said, the root cause of many people’s heart stopping has been a bullet passing through it - those people’s hearts wouldn’t have otherwise developed massive holes and would have gone on ticking had it not been for the bullet - but that doesn’t mean that bullets piercing hearts is the exclusive reason that hearts stop.

          I’m not sure if the point you’re trying to make is that not everyone who consumes alcohol gets these diseases or that alcohol consumption isn’t the only cause of these diseases. Both of those statements are correct but neither are contrary to the study’s conclusion.

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            You cannot compare a bullet passing through a heart - an entirely physical process - with diseases from cancer - complex biochemical processes. This is statistically and logically wrong - like comparing apples and oranges, although your example is even more wrong. Apples and oranges are at least fruits, but heart and cancer?

            The entire field of ontology is complex in itself. I agree that alcohol CAN (!) increase the chance to get cancer, but - again - Paracelsus plays an imminent role, which is even not considered! Also possible interactions with all the other environmental, psychological etc variables are missing. This diminishes considerably the value of this study.

            If I have time and the motivation, I could dig deeper into the design. But it seems to have remarkable flaws and thus makes it in the context of medicine and science a pub, which should be considered with caution!

  • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
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    even casual drinking increases your risk of cancers by alot. also promotes heart disease, alochol related damage, blood pressure issues. and thats where omezpic steps in, to curb alcohol abuse, plus type 2 diabetes.

    also besides alcohol is use to subdue a population from causing an uprising.

    • JackFrostNCola@aussie.zone
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      Makes you wonder why weed got such pushpback then. Alcohol subdues a lot of people but aggravates a lot too, but hard to stir an uprising of stoners unless they are storming capitol hill’s taco bell

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        actually its OMEZPIC now, and other GLP-1, its seems to be “treating” for different addictions. noticed how omezpic and similar drugs are getting dropped from insurances, when articles about alcohol sales going down. plus MITCH mcconnel being suddenly against the drug, hes deep in alcohol industry in his state.