In comments to NBC News, US presidents also deflates hope of deal with Tehran, saying ‘terms aren’t good enough’

  • Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    2
    ·
    5 hours ago

    So, obviously he’s lying, either about the address of the earlier strikes or about the intention to keep hitting the island.

    But just consider how fucking bad this lie is. Like, if we actually take him at his word, what he’s saying is that he will literally put pilots in harm’s way, and kill and maim Iranians, as well as wasting a lot of money, just for his entertainment. That’s your commander in chief, America, proudly declaring that he would happily sacrifice human lives just for “fun”.

    Honestly, assuming that he’s lying is actually being kind to him at this point.

  • Yggstyle@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    10
    ·
    21 hours ago

    That escalator could have been a national hero. A couple sudden starts and stops coulda seen the us being led by a vegetable rather than a facist rotting apricot.

    • Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      6
      ·
      18 hours ago

      Americans have made themselves exempt from war crimes. Not surprisingly all (?) recent Presidents have committed war crimes at some time or another.

    • GreenKnight23@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      12
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      23 hours ago

      let’s get with reality here. he’s never going to see the inside of a prison cell.

      he’s going to die before anything happens.

      • ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        ·
        21 hours ago

        He’d flee to Russia or Saudi Arabia before seeing any jail time in the US – not that I expect any of those outcomes. Just as a point of interest: Idi Amin lived the remainder of his syphilis-ridden life in Saudi Arabia after he was deposed in Uganda.

        • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          19 hours ago

          That was a long time ago. The current trend is to imprison corrupt dictators, if they last that long, and if some Putz doesn’t come along and pardon them.

            • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              19 hours ago

              Nope.

              Several former world leaders are currently or have recently been imprisoned, particularly in South Korea, Malaysia, and Pakistan, frequently due to corruption charges. Notable examples include former South Korean President Park Geun-hye (later pardoned), Malaysia’s Najib Razak, and Pakistan’s Imran Khan, highlighting a global trend of prosecuting former heads of state. Al Jazeera

              Key Imprisoned or Recently Convicted Leaders

              Imran Khan: The former Prime Minister of Pakistan is currently imprisoned on convictions related to corruption and leaking state secrets. Najib Razak: The former Malaysian Prime Minister is serving a 12-year sentence for corruption related to the 1MDB scandal. Park Geun-hye: The former South Korean President served five years of a 24-year sentence for bribery and abuse of power before being pardoned, according to The Week and The Guardian. Lee Myung-bak: Another former South Korean President, sentenced to 17 years for embezzlement and bribery, later pardoned, as reported by Al Jazeera and Time Magazine. Jacob Zuma: The former South African President was sentenced to 15 months for contempt of court, notes Johnson County Library. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner: Former Argentine President/Vice President was sentenced in 2022 to six years for fraud, according to Johnson County Library. Omar Hassan al-Bashir: Former President of Sudan, jailed for corruption, notes Time Magazine. Nicolas Sarkozy: The former French President was convicted of corruption and influence peddling, receiving a sentence in 2021 that included time served under house arrest, according to PBS and Time Magazine. Jacques Chirac: Former French president who in 2011, was convicted of corruption and handed a two-year suspended jail sentence, as reported by Al Jazeera.

              Context on Prosecutions

              Global Trend: Data from Axios shows that since 2000, leaders in at least 78 countries have been jailed or prosecuted, including many in democracies. Common Charges: Most convictions stem from corruption, bribery, fraud, or abuse of power.

              So the global trend is prosecution, often followed by prison. Only in America do we let traitors and pedophiles walk free.

    • dan1101@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      5 hours ago

      This has been true to varying degrees in most administrations, but the sum of the greedy and evil and reckless actions right now seems unprecedented.

    • Heikki2@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      11
      ·
      1 day ago

      We always have been. The 1st time there were people who would say no and explain why. Now we have “yes men” just agreeing with every smooth, mushy -brained idea that come out

    • smeenz@lemmy.nz
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      5
      ·
      edit-2
      22 hours ago

      I guess that’s one way to force the planet off oil. A very needlessly painful way, but a way.

      I wonder if Trump is quietly investing in Chinese EV companies on the side.

      • Bloomcole@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        20 hours ago

        Does he need to?
        You can make money betting for or against something in our ultra-capitalist system.
        He can definitely make money from that since he can cause these changed.

        And BTW do you know how much oil companies have invested in green economy?

      • nullptr@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        21 hours ago

        you are being delusional; consumers will just pay twice the price to buy oil from russia

  • PumpkinSkink@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    14
    ·
    1 day ago

    That would be super fucking stupid. No better way to make sure Iran mines the strait. Right now they still need it to export oil. You know the orange one’s advisors explained this to him because they didn’t target the oil infrastructure on the first bombardment, but he’s like Chekov’s dumbass: Any bad idea put in his head in the first act must be acted upon by the third.

    • anton@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      1 day ago

      It would prevent Iran from mining the straight for weeks, maybe months, because the gulf would be on fire for a while.

  • SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    39
    ·
    1 day ago

    Trump is making an excellent case for investing far more into renewables and phasing out oil, at least for energy

    Something that I would have said was obvious for decades, that renewables is a matter of national security almost, but you know, people are stubborn

    • FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      19
      ·
      1 day ago

      I remember these discussions being had in the 90’s, and the excuse was always: “But it’ll cost a lot and take decades.”

      And now here we are. Decades.

  • A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    60
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    1 day ago

    I heard him talk about the war the other day, it’s so disgusting. He’s gloating. He’s saying the dumbest shit. He’s happy 🤮

    • SpruceBringsteen@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      29
      ·
      1 day ago

      They’re talking big talk, but sending in 2000 marines isn’t going to do much. Iran can play whack a mole while they wait out the clock. It’s a huge mountainous country and they only need to hit one ship in the strait to cause havoc.

      Trump’s already had the gall to look around for allies to help in the strait after his year long backstabbing tour. Iran’s upped their demands because they smell blood in the water and they just need to draw things out.

      • FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        14
        ·
        edit-2
        1 day ago

        after his year long backstabbing tour.

        It’s wild that someone with his status hasn’t figured out that maybe we shouldn’t bully every single country in the world, if only out of self-preservation and our own self-interest.

        I really hate that we as a people no longer care if our presidents have functioning brains.

      • Bloomcole@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        ·
        1 day ago

        Those numbers at most would be suitable for taking a small island such as Kharg if he desperately wants a media victory.
        But that would be another gigantic mistake and suicide for all of them since they are sitting ducks for Iranian artillery and missiles.
        There’s no way they will be taken out to make it safe.
        Going into Iran itself is totally out of the question, it would take 2 million and a shitton of weapons of every kind.
        They already can’t keep up with this situation and having all their bases and radars in all the vassal states destroyed.
        Guaranteed defeat and 100000’s of dead invaders.

      • apftwb@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 day ago

        Trump’s already had the gall to look around for allies to help in the strait after his year long backstabbing tour

        Hey guys, anyone want to start WW3 on my side? Our power has been checked by Iran and we could really use some help. But also we don’t need your help. UK? Canada?.. Japan?.. China? I know your ships have free passage, but It would make really fun headlines if you helped me.

        • Bloomcole@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          1 day ago

          Can’t believe how these turncoat politicians act.
          In the same speech Macron, the US bootlicker is ranting about evil Russia in Ukraine and 5 minutes later saying it’s a good idea to have a deal with them to supply oil.

          Hey we have this other problem now, can we put our little war on hold and be friends? We’ll get right back to sanctioning your oil, pirating ships and arming ukraine in a minute, promisse!

          Completely insane.

    • fonix232@fedia.io
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      55
      ·
      2 days ago

      The next article I’d love to read is entitled “Blood clot disrupts circulatory system of tangerine wannabe dictator ‘for fun’; Trump dead at 79”

    • Sibbo@sopuli.xyz
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      5
      ·
      1 day ago

      The fact that people die on-site is likely the worse part. Unless a rising oil price causes people to die elsewhere.

  • Rentlar@lemmy.ca
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    65
    ·
    2 days ago

    Trump hikes Americans’ (Democrats and Republicans alike) cost of living “just for fun”.

    • Didntdoit71@feddit.online
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      30
      ·
      2 days ago

      He’ll just lie to his cult and tell them that gas is under $2 a gallon…like he’s been doing for months…they’ll believe him and continue to support him - even as they pay over $3 at the pump - “it MUST be $2 SOMEWHERE…duh president wouldn’t, lie - he’s a gud Christian man!” It’s back over $3 a gallon in Charlotte, NC and we’re considered relatively cheap here. The economy has NEVER gotten better, but ask any Republicans and they’ll tell you how wonderful life is under Rump!

  • AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@piefed.social
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    30
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    edit-2
    1 day ago

    For the first time ever, the orange child rapist is doing something good: he’s convincing people to switch to EVs at a rate nobody ever did. Seeing gas prices skyrocket has changed the mind of more coworkers to buy an EV as the next car than anything else. So… thanks, I guess?

    • hovercat@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      1 day ago

      There’s a part of me that wants to believe that Trump is basically a double agent meant to be so blatantly corrupt and awful, taking advantage of every system in the US, that it finally wakes the US up and to realize how fucking awful everything actually is, almost like penetration testing.

      • Jännät@sopuli.xyz
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        1 day ago

        Unfortunately 50% of the US has decided that this is exactly what they want

        • daq@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          21 hours ago

          It’s barely 50% of voters. Not even close to 50% of population. Still sad as fuck though.

      • foggy@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        1 day ago

        In his first term I liked to think that he was actually Andy Kaufman in a fat suit. That he’d faked his death and this was his Gesamtkunstwerk.

        It would have been legitimately on brand, and as a punchline being “humanity is fucking stupid you’re all fucked,” would be hysterical.

        Alas…

  • Walk_blesseD@piefed.blahaj.zone
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    21
    ·
    1 day ago

    ok sure lots of people would suffer and die but driving what’s left of the oil market deeper into the crater to the benefit of absolutely nobody would be pretty funny

      • Walk_blesseD@piefed.blahaj.zone
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        11
        ·
        1 day ago

        sure, I agree in the abstract, but in practice, blowing up Kharg Island would be an unprecedented ecological disaster, as well as guaranteeing the strait of Hormuz can’t be reopened any time over the next however long it’d take to clean up.
        Unfortunately, the global economy is extremely dependent on the use of oil for shipping, including for food, medicines and the machinery required to make a modern life livable, so like I said, lots of people would suffer and die for no good reason if this were to actually happen. So yeah, it probably will, given this timeline.