Regarding defence:

The conclusion is inescapable: now is the time for the UK to reinforce, not wreck Europe’s security relationships, both through the European pillar of Nato and through cooperation with the EU. That means developing its own military capabilities as the US pulls back, as well as exploring a UK role in potential decision-making bodies such as a European security council.

Regarding the economy:

Labour should be open to renegotiating all barriers to cooperation – including integration with the single market in a Swiss-style deal.

Thoughts?

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    Maybe 5 years ago that would sell to the sheep better. Now? Ha. He’s blowing up nato in the only way he possibly could or trying to, and floating increasing military spending to make up for what europe buys to help sell it.

    If you actually believe that is a “conspiracy,” that isn’t true, I’ve an exciting investment opportunity for ya, sucka.

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      Blaming Russia is a coping mechanism that American liberals use to rationalize why their country is doing bad things out in the open.

      When their country was doing bad things secretly, the coping mechanism was that “it’s complicated” and that the American empire was slightly less evil than previous empires, and that the idea of just not being an empire was unrealistic.

      One day, their coping mechanism will be that [insert atrocity] is “a leftover trump-era policy” that is unrealistic to stop doing immediately and we need to be patient, and that they want to give Greenland back but “it’s complicated”

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        While true russia is a coping mechanism, and excuse so the establishment doesn’t have to take responsibility for running doomed to fail candidates, it’s also true Russia is sponsoring the far right, many outright fascists, across the west. To take their counties by elections, and then fix themselves in power. That has been clear for some time, since Russia started loaning money to the national front in france really, well before 2016.

        It is a conspiracy to say Russia is allied to the US administration and far right challengers poised to take europe like dominoes just not a false one.

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      He’s blowing up nato

      He’s also helping Ukraine blow up Russia. Not as the reliable ally Biden was, but not in a “doing Putin’s bidding” way either. Now he’s capturing oil tankers from Russia’s oil fleet.

      Trump has always hated NATO.

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        He has always been in bed with the russian mob, that is directed by the fsb too. It’s not much of a secret, denying it at this point just shows that you are susceptible to believing suits lying to your face.

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          /looks around

          Who’s denying it? American criminal organizations have always had ties to criminal organizations everywhere, and the same is true of intelligence organizations. That’s not even interesting, and it’s not “alignment”.

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            The president is an asset of russian intelligence. And even moreso to Israeli intelligence.

            To deny that at this point is just, wow.

            Yes, organized crime is vulnerable to intelligence agencies using them. The president was compromised by the Russian mob, and by extension the fsb, decades back. They are great pals.

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              You never answered my question, so I’ll make it more pointed. Why is Trump providing Ukraine with intelligence for targeting Russian energy infrastructure? Intelligence that Biden refused to provide BTW.

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                You think because he didn’t upend tens of billions of dollars contracts and agreements of cooperation that is proof?

                Blowing up Nato is something he doesn’t have the juice to do, not the least as the party is trying to use the military to ghettoize america like palestine. So he is doing the rah rah greenland to whip up a patriotic fervor to get the support to do it, which he might not get.

                This president can’t cross the military, or the contractors. I’m surprised you see a stated disagreement with russia and take that for evidence they are not in league despite you know, things.

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                  OK, so you don’t have an answer or can’t be bothered to read the entire question. Trump has gone beyond what Biden did. I’m done with your bad faith bullshit.

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                    As I said, the US president does not have the juice to upend everything day one. Hence greenland to pull out of nato.

                    As if he had the support in that community that he needs as much as any for the party’s plans, to upset them like that. Your question is rather foolish to be perfectly frank.