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  • I’m curious how the party could simultaneously be a part of the proletariat and also a distinct entity in its own right? In intersectional feminism a great deal of discussion goes into the idea of classes existing within complex frameworks of political and social power. All classes are created based on some distinguishing characteristics. Economic characteristics, racial characteristics, characteristics of ability, sexuality, gender, etc. Classes are not generally self assigned they are assigned by others in response to perceived characteristics, there’s exceptions but not generally. Classes are hierarchal, always. That is that none of them exist in isolation. Some classes are privileged to the disadvantage of some other classes.

    Unless you existed within a single class system, which would have no distinguishing characteristics, and all people would belong to it. I think in socialist theory this would be the end goal of a communist revolution, the creation of a classless society where everyone holds the same social and political power.

    The reason I want to layout my understanding of class is specifically to say, I do not understand how the vanguard can be a part of the working class. It does not make sense that a state entity that is characteristically distinguishable from the working class could also be a part of that working class. Many ML nations have even employed literal signifiers that someone is a member of the party. The amount of political power of general secretaries / chairmen / councilmen is also just not the same as the political power of any worker within those nations. There’s a hierarchy of political power that would privilege members of the party over workers themselves. How do you believe this inherent contradiction can be rectified?

    I have qualms over what constitutes “wrecker behavior” or bourgeois power, and more importantly who determines what constitutes those things, but I’ll table that over this discussion which I think has more potential to be productive.


  • I see. The use of the term dictatorship is kinda misleading in this sense then. I’ll admit some ignorance on my behalf on the “democracy by policy” functions within ML states. I am aware of the party congress but always understood that this did not include all matters of state. I do think that multiparty electoral democracies are largely misdirections to protect the interests of the ruling class. I am somewhat confused about what the actual extent of democracy by policy could be? Or how this relates to the state monopoly of violence, agents of the state like police and military forces.


  • I can’t know for sure which nations you’re referring to, but the only nations that claim to exist in a form of popular representation are electoral democracies. Marxist-Leninist states like the Soviet Union or China claim that their state is a part of the working class. That a Vanguard party of especially class conscious workers should manage the state with the end goal of implementating a true egalitarian Marxist communist society.

    I don’t agree with them, especially not with the soviet union itself. I’m only saying this in disagreement over the term “touted”. Marxist-Leninist states are dictatorships by design. They do not claim popular representation, they actually claim to have to impose socialism on the masses until it is accepted. They claim that workers have been conditioned to accept and endorse capitalism, and in a more historical sense monarchism, even at their own expense (this I believe to be true). The vanguard party must therefore prevent those workers from overthrowing the party and reinstituting capitalism. Hence why they preoccupied themselves a lot with the threat of dissent. At least that is their ideological justification for mass surveillance and restriction of civil liberties.

    To say that they tout popular representation just isnt true. They actually claim to “know whats good for the workers better than the workers know what’s good for themselves” and that they must therefore force the workers to embrace socialism. I do agree that socialism is objectively better than capitalism, and that a way of spreading that idea and deprogramming capitalist conditioning is necessary. I do not agree that a dictatorship is necessary to do those things, nor that any vanguard party could be an actual part of the proletariat.




  • Idk why this is treated as though its so inconceivable. Greta is hated by conservatives around the world. Most countries have already condemned Israel. They only care what Trump’s regime thinks. Their prisons are notorious centers of physical emotional and sexual torture. This is relatively mild treatment in comparison to many of the accounts I’ve read. It’s still awful, but if they were going to invent a story about how vile the Israeli prison guards were, this wouldnt be noteworthy in any way. Barely even scratches the surface of the things that happen in those prisons.