Ah. So you don’t actually understand the reality of extreme heat and cold events. That… That makes sense how you wouldn’t care. You’ve failed to do basic research.

This is the type of “I’m a priveleged cisgendered straight white person so the marginalized people can be fed to the machine” ass comment I would expect from you.

If I meant it as “welcome fascism” , which I don’t. Fascism should still be fought. You pulling out the “privileged” bullshit again is hilarious when you don’t understand basic science

You’re worrying about the future of the species like that is an entity that can feel pain. No, it’s an idea, a prediction. It’s something that absolutely is not the top concern of the people struggling and facing real issues to their lives right now at this very moment. Just about the only people I can imagine could possibly hold this opinion are out of touch well to do people.

Good to know you have no idea what you’re talking about. Climate change is already causing serious deaths, now. It’s not just some future issue. It’s genuinely horrifying that you don’t understand that. It isn’t just Future generations. It isn’t abstract concepts. It’s my generation that will be dying because of this.

Many, reasonably are worried about the massively accelerating wealth inequality and the disaster this spells for them and their future generations.

Because climate change won’t… ??

Yes, fascism is important. But not nearly as important as fighting climate change. There isn’t a future to fight for if climate change isn’t blocked, you do understand that, right?

This is not a problem. that can be solved quickly.

It could be solved in under a decade if people cared.

You don’t seem to actually understand how dangerous climate change is presently. You still see it as an abstract future rather than an awful and worsening present

You are clearly missing a lot, so if you actually walked the walk, you’d watch it and see what you’re missing, because in this conversation alone you’ve made it clear you don’t understand how deep or effective it has been, what policies have been put in place due to it, etc.

I see what happened when voters and people actually cared. The cities changed, improved. It proves that propaganda is not some magical convincing force that forces people to think one way, the way you pretend it is.

care about every topic

I expect them to care about the potential mass death of most humans and environments that has been blasting on the news and taught to most for decades … and I think that’s reasonable.

The point was that its “technically” peoples choice, but it clearly isn’t with how heavy the lobbying is.

If someone tells you to kill a guy and you do, does it make sense to exclusively blame the person who told you? No. They’ve been given the information and tools to find more information.

even while you yourself obviously could not live up to such an unrealistic standard.

The standard I want is “trying” to do better. I want people to actually try to reduce their impact. That’s it. It’s not a high standard.

And simply, if you think propaganda can influence everyone enough that it makes changing individuals impossible, why do you think that convincing them to vote differently is possible?

Manufacturers would be making smaller vehicles due to regulations, people couldn’t choose monstrosities, roads would get slimmer in new development, public transportation would be built better

It is a tad ironic that you talk about the influence of propaganda and are still stuck on the idea that people need cars.

. If you can’t, how the hell are you expecting other people to for the issues you find most important?

Climate change is the single most important issue, bar none. There’s no reasonable argument that can be made that the vast majority of humanity dying is the worst possible outcome, unless you go for an anti human perspective. I don’t expect people to be perfect. I expect them to try.

I did not watch your video as I’m already well aware of the history of car lobbying in America. How people allowed car companies to do away with public transit. How they allowed propaganda to perpetuate. I don’t believe people blindly believing clearly false propaganda are faultless

This is an attitude that seeks to attribute blame rather than practically solve the problem.

Attribute responsibility. People need to take responsibility for their own decisions, and change them.

You can handwave that away and choose to focus on personal choice

I’m not. I mention it in response to people’s attempts to claim it’s never their fault. It’s always someone else’s fault. That there’s nothing they can do, it’s always everyone else.

We could all simply choose to consumer less animal product, be healthier and leave the environment in a much better position, but yet schools are still forced to feed kids milk with every meal due to lobbying.

And society would be better off for that change anyways.

You ever stop to think of the long history of car companies actively and successfully lobbying to ruin public transits image and efficiency in the US?

People who are in areas with public transit and refuse to use it because it’s a minor inconvenience are specifically who I’m talking about that with. And yes, people’s votes helped cause that change.

What I’m saying is people can’t put all of their energy into every issue all at once. No human can

They don’t need to. They can make multiple small choices and lifestyle changes to great benefit. A literal world ending threat should be the most important issue.

I guarantee you there are areas of life you are blind to as well

I’m sure there are. I know there are. Every year I strive to improve. To consume less. To eat less meat. To bike and rid myself of the car I drove for far too long. Improvement takes time. It’s not a one second thing, it takes decades of effort. But it makes a difference, one little step, one person at a time, makes a difference. However, I can be sure I’m actually trying.

you won’t be trying to solve the problem, but instead you’ll be trying to pin the blame to the least powerful people in the scenario.

No rain drop thinks it caused the flood. Every, single, bit matters. A response needs to come from all sides. From the top down, regulating companies to use electric, tax heavily on plastic waste. From the bottom up, encouraging people to take public transit and bike, partly through public awareness campaigns and partly through increased bike and train infrastructure. You can’t solve it by only focusing on companies. You HAVE to get the consumers to be willing to change their habits as well. People need to be aware that they DO have an impact, and their individual changes will make a difference.

A lot of people’s apathy is driven by the false perception that they cannot make a difference with their own power. That their vote doesn’t matter. These false perceptions are what need to be changes so that society can move forward, and push the companies, through laws, punishments, and boycotts, into being environmentally sound.

There is nothing that says you can’t criticize someone else just because you live somewhere worse. Especially when the criticism is valid and said person is pretending their country is a paragon of virtue.

Consumers are not babies. Most are not children. They can take full responsibility for their own choices and failure to research when it’s available. There is a reasonable extent that can be forgiven from lack of information. But most is still their fault. See people drinking bottles water when they have perfect access to safe drinking water. See people driving to work when they’re easily within public transit areas. See people buying slave labor made trinkets off temu, shein, amazon, AliExpress, and many more, or buying constant new shitly made polyester clothes because “fashion”.

Society is created by those who participate. Hand waving “it’s a society problem” denies the individual responsibility of everyone to guide society.

All the information is easily accessible and clear to everyone. They are making a conscious decision to pollute more for their own convenience. This is not saying companies are not also responsible for massive amounts of waste. Do not take it like that. But people need to also understand lifestyles cannot stay the same and still fight climate change. People need to give up their trinkets, fast fashion, cars, etc, if they want to actually fight climate change and pollution

You cannot do one or the other to stop climate change. You have to do both. Again, cars are one of the single largest polluters in the world, and especially in the usa. The working class will need to make changes in their life styles as well. The problem is not solveable just by having companies change, consumers also need to be willing to accept changes in purchasing habits

Of course they do. But what’s in their best interest doesn’t matter for leverage. For leverage, it matters how many truly believe that. And you’ll find that the amount of people who truly understand how bad it’s getting is vanishingly small. Even most liberals and hell, even leftists only care about it on a surface level. They’re not willing to lose the benefits they get from not caring about the environment.

F150s are a significant part of the entire emissions of the united states. Cars in general are one of the largest single categories.

Bullshit. Costs absolutely influence shopping behavior. If you drive it out of an affordable range while providing viable, more environmentally friendly, alternatives. People will be forced to change

The leverage is numbers. 8 billion humans against what, a stadium of people?

The idea that 8 billion people would be on your side is the forefront of showing why what you’re suggesting is closer to fantasy than reality. More people than you care to admit are straight up fascist

The UN is a circus organization with no power by design. Because it’s primary purpose is a keeping every country at the table no matter what for diplomacy, to reduce the odds of another world war

Presumably though, they do use “I” when it’s needed for disambiguation.

Not as much as you might hope but yeah

Doordash has repeatedly been caught stealing tips

“earn by time” my brother in christ we call that being an hourly employee. That’s wild that they have the option to switch between the 2 only for when it’s more profitable for the company to do one or the other

ah, classic ml. Genocide deniers

So your response to people glazing the usa is glazing an authorization country. And you wonder why people don’t like ML?

No, it’s not about the economic system. Christ knows communists aren’t in short supply on lemmy, if that was true you’d see more support. Don’t kid yourself.

It’s not about the economic system, it’s the constant china glazing

Thinking that is legitimately OCD levels of cleanliness.

You can just walk out. Most places won’t stop you.