There is no flawless solution , that being said there is such thing as worse and even worse … to me Reddit is “even worse”. I’m only accountable for what I post and what I “vote” on and there I’ve got no problems. It’s nice to know here if there are trackers it’s not necessarily baked in. LLMs maybe reading what it can see but those LLMs aren’t determining how and what I’m doom scrolling. That’s what would bothers me.

And while I’m sure there are bad actors probably willing I still think the fediverse is to small to really garner a ton of effort to extort much of anything.

I might end up trying that as my Facebook replacement but not Discord. Their policies and data handling should win them an award

While I appreciate what Movim is going for it feels like something different then Discord. It fees like it’s trying to be a whole social network. Which is kind of cool but it also feels very very busy.

Completely subjective, I am just not a fan of the UI. I’ve been sticking with Librewolf. Tinkering with Orion on Mac. And I am keeping an eye on LadyBird

I get what your saying and it’s true people are insanely lazy. But the whole point of these applications is to chat with your friends. So if you can’t get them to move in the first place , what’s the point of the application then ? So while there is no perfect solution , trying to do to much at once won’t work either …

Movim looks insanely promising. I’ll have to check it out after I get off work. I’ll have to update my write up if it’s that impressive. Curious how it will handle from what I understand XMPP is protocol like matrix yes ?

Very good catch. Honestly the platform is so small I doubt it will come under fire. Worse case if the platform takes off more can self host and completely avoid these requirements

I watched Girls Gone Wild for the story

In my eyes they are no different than Discord. They are a venture capital driven corporation who will use your data in the same manner. I like the added features for mmo clans. But that’s not enough to give up the privacy issue.

If you don’t have many concerns about privacy to start with then why not stick with Discord?

For straight up talk it works. UI is dated and I am not sure if you have to self host or not ?

Services like Discord allow you to keep an always on chat channel. People can join and leave as they like and no one is disrupted. Matrix is more like Skype/Zoom you create a call or session. But there is a person host. Once host leaves the call ends. In some cases you need to invite people to join the call.

Even stoat writes on their privacy policy they store everything you write on their servers. That if needed they will hand over what’s required of them as of GPDR compliancy.

Now if that analyze said data and sell it, that’s another thing entirely.

With both Stoat and Fluxer community audits should be done, if Fluxer has had AI generated code that opens up unforeseen risk.

Thanks for the heads up!

If you can remember please report in.

Oh no it’s not purely about federated. And I love Stoat. I just wanted to make sure that wasn’t lost in translation. Especially if you had any interest in that part

For me Fluxer is technically more feature complete with steaming options. But banners and custom emojis are behind paywalls. (Non local hosted)

Stoat offers free banners, emojis a nice UI even a community browser! Its voice chat works well enough but no streaming features. Stoat is purely donation based at the moment.

Sounds like Fluxer is gaining momentum mainstream wise. I’m happy with either option …

For me it’s purely the voice chat issue. I rarely use chat rooms anymore. Arguably something like TeamSpeak would work just fine for me.

I don’t believe Stoat is federated so your server would be in its own silo. But it’s great if you just want a space for you and your friends

My dudes and dudettes , I’m blown away by the response. I’m going to be busy trying them all out. Thank you for the responses and I hope others found some good insight!

So you are surprised Facebook the company whose profit model is entirely ads is using data on WhatsApp to profit off ads?

No I don’t believe you.

May I recommend signal or stoat ? Or session ? Or so many better things.

You’ve given up on Reddit I assume enjoying the fediverse I think you try it with chat too