This is definitely on the horizon and future generations won’t even be aware of a time when you didn’t pay a subscription for every aspect of life. (TikTok screencap)
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Smart fridges don’t even improve storing food.
I won’t buy a smart fridge until they can play Tetris with the food inside.
We’ve seen how this goes: Eventually if you need a new fridge, you won’t have a choice.
And everyone needs a new fridge every 3-5 years now because they’re all pieces of shit.
Unless there begins to exist a new business based around lobotomizing smart devices.
Manufacturers will add “security features”, then sue the new lobotomizer business for tampering with DRM
And so the lobotomizers cite right-to-repair laws
What are those? It takes years to make the smallest iota of progress with right to repair.
In the US, maybe
Of course. Europe is smarter than that.
Unfortunately, even fixing a smart fridge without the manufacturer’s consent is a crime punishable with hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines and possibly prison time.
Nah, fridges are simple enough that I guarantee it’s trivial to rip all the smart bits out and still have a functioning fridge. Or just buy and old one, my grandparents still have their fridge from like 1970s and it still works.
Sure it works, it also uses more electricity than the rest of the electrical devices in the house combined.
We’ve figured out how to do fridges a long time ago, there’s really not much to it: a well insulated box, radiators inside and outside, a pump, a metering device, and a thermostat. Sure, all components have been optimized a bit, but the power usage only went down by like half in the past 50 years, it’s not as bad as you’re describing.
About 3,5 times more energy used in 1972 than 2002. That’s quite a bit in my opinion.
Hm, that’s indeed more than I was expecting.
I guarantee it’s trivial to rip all the smart bits out and still have a functioning fridge
Unfortunately, it is not. The “smart bits” are doing the job of a control board in a dumb fridge. If the tablet shits the bed, you won’t get cooling until you factory reset it and get the tablet working again.
I’ve never had a fridge with a control board, it’s usually just a compressor connected via a two-connection control thingy which prevents it from starting too often, and a relay that’s controlled by a thermostat. If they managed to replace that with a control board… Why?
Just about every fridge sold (meant for residential use, in the US) in (at least) the last 10 years has a control board in it. The only exceptions are the really cheap and small top-mount fridges, and even then it is only the ones with physical knobs that might not have a control board. Anything with buttons or a display has a control board. Many appliances with knobs also have control boards (sorry to everyone buying laundry based on “it has knobs, I trust it more”).
As for why - because they can. What are you gonna do, not own a fridge? Keep paying someone to fix an old one (or learn to fix it yourself)? Very few people will do that. Most people will bend over and pay.
It’s just like smart TVs.
Smart tvs aren’t as bad of a concept as smart fridges. A smart TV is better at being a TV than it otherwise would be, purely because it is smart. A fridge doesn’t have that. There is no way that a fridge can be better at being a fridge by being smart.
A smart TV is better at being a TV than it otherwise would be
I think that depends on what you want from your TV. If you just want it to have a video input to stream stuff from somewhere else, smart TVs are typically worse because they take more time to boot up.
Also, they spy on you, can be bricked by the manufacturer, can therefore be used to extort money from you after buying it (depending on your country’s laws) and lock you into one ecosystem. The profit margin off of that is so high that “smart” TVs are always much cheaper than normal TVs, even with development costs and higher hardware costs. So you are the product.
And if you actually want to stream Netsucks or smth, plugging in your Laptop where you’re already logged in is much more convenient than using a native app on the TV. And ofc you don’t have to use some broken, outdated YouTube unshittifier that Google keeps breaking on there, you can just use piped/invidious in your Laptops/Mini-PCs browser. Also, not having any apps on a fucking TV means not requiring Network access, so no spying, updating etc. anyway.
Your comment represents the disconnect with most consumers and maybe it’s why you can’t see the reason most people don’t fight back against smart tvs.
First, just because a smart TV “can” be bricked by a manufacturer does not mean they all deliberately do so or use that as a means to extort you. If my tv bricked because of an update, and wasn’t remedied for free by the manufacturer, guess which maker I’m not buying from for my next tv? Not to mention the lawsuits.
Next, I’m struggling to figure how connecting a laptop to a tv is more convenient than a built in app. I have done every type of TV setup but no extra devices has always been a lot simpler than more devices.
I completely understand your concerns of privacy and a YouTube app that can’t block ads, but let’s not pretend that it’s all bad news.
It’s bricked as soon as a company is bought up, and the new company has no interest in continuing support or wants customers to buy a new or their product. The lawsuits are non existent, because due to forced arbitration clauses present in almost all contracts today, you cannot sue. The most prominent, recent example being Disney not allowing a customer to sue them for a death in their park, because the dead person has used a free trial of Disney+ and therefore agreed to forced arbitration. Video by Louis Rossmann. (Generally, Louis covers a lot of such cases and maintains a wiki where the cases and companies are collected.) Also, there’s no way to just buy from another manufacturer and be happy, because it’s all of them. And the shareholders, which are the only ones that are relevant for what a company does, do not care if they damage the reputation and run the company into the ground long-term, as long as the numbers went up quickly (from forcing subscriptions, ads and/or tracking onto customers, or discontinuing a product in favor of another one. With a normal TV, you now have an outdated but working product, as neither HDMI, cable TV nor satellite will randomly change or need updates. Something connecting to the internet and requiring permanent security updates for apps and OS does. So either you will suddenly lose most functionality, the manufacturer (or rather, new owner) sees this as a good way to justify just bricking it or the new owners will first implement forced arbitration if not present already (which you have to accept, otherwise you can’t use the product), force said subs/ads/tracking, then rugpull and close the manufacturer. Good luck suing against suing against a company that does not exist anymore, and disallows you to sue.
Paid a few million for a company, got that worth in trained workers, customers to scam and already collected data, and got many more millions from implementing said stuff. Bottomline: “Earned” many, many millions. Bonus: There’s a good chance the consumer buys a new TV from you, because they don’t know who fucked them.All of those things are real cases, more or less common, documented in thousands of videos of Louis.
Most people I’ve met have streaming services set up on their laptop already. From start to finish, plugging in your Laptop and typing soap2day.pe or netflix.com is much easier than connecting to wifi or ethernet, installing the app on the TV, and logging in. Just to disover that streaming service XY is not available on the TV due to an old OS, license issues, compatibility issues (as eg. Netflix has special requirements, such as x86_64 and not ARM and RISCV for >720p and playing in general, iirc). On your laptop (or whatever), everything’s already set up.
That is, if you have a laptop or similar of course.Next, I’m struggling to figure how connecting a laptop to a tv is more convenient than a built in app. I have done every type of TV setup but no extra devices has always been a lot simpler than more devices.
It is infinitely more convenient for me.
Having to navigate through an obtuse UI just to open an app, then search with an on-screen keyboard by moving the cursor with a D-pad on the remote is just awful. Besides, a lot of smart TVs don’t allow you to sideload which forces you into either ads or subscriptions for a lot of things.
I have my desktop sitting next to the TV, already plugged in, so when I want to watch something I just turn the TV on, search for whatever I need on definitely legal website, download it in a definitely legal way, open mpv with subs and start watching.
There’s also a longevity mismatch. The streaming device goes obsolete much faster than the display. At worst, you’ve got a bunch of buttons snd icons for dead services or “your device is no longer supported” tutning your home theatre into a dead mall.
It’s sort of like when they used to make low-end TVs with VCRs and DVD players built in. Nobody was doing that on top of the line sets because you wanted to keep it for 10 years, and the DVD player would give out much sooner.
I think one brand tried to make a modular component to allow for smart upgrades, but without industry standards, it was a predestined dead end. Thry should have just out a slot in the cabinet sized to fit a Roku/Fire stick and let customers swap them every few years.
It’s all about marketing. “This smart fridge uses quantum AI technology to do neural scans of the contents of your fridge, allowing it to adjust the temperature and humidity perfectly for your food, making it crisp and moist!”
That fridge competes with a dumb fridge from a budget brand that costs 200 to 300 bucks. You can even get self-defrosting ones at that price point.
Unlike TVs, which need to display content, fridges can work just fine when they’re just a heat pump, a thermostat, a light bulb, and an insulated box (and optionally also a fan and a heating element). The biggest technical difference between a cheap fridge today and one from the 50s is in materials and using an LED bulb.
I mean, smart fridge COULD be scanning its contents and adjusting the cooling intensity based on that. My dumb fridge always freezes vegetables because even when set to lowest setting the cooling is too much.
But corpos would rathed stuff ads everywhere instead of making actually usefull upgrades.
Yes, and use the contents it has scanned to sell to advertisers.
If the lowest setting freezes your food, turn it up.
I mean, smart fridge COULD be scanning its contents and adjusting the cooling intensity based on that.
Looks around at where product design is usually heading
I mean, a smart fridge COULD be scanning it’s contents and adjust the displayed ads and sold data about you based on that.
Lettuce is the only food that can be simultaneously crisp and moist
What about onions?
You keep moist onions in your refrigerator?
I disagree. The one of the few smart thing i don’t want in my house is a smart tv, because it’s really just a subpar computer being build into a TV, and higher spec cost too much. I don’t want to change a TV every 3 to 5 years because the computer part degraded and make using the TV impossible. I can use my PC for that.
They could be in theory. But they are designed to bring a lot of terrible interface choices into the mix, so a basic screen where you just pick the input source and delegate the “smart” parts to something you control can end up being more comfortable.
Nope. A TV’s sole job is to shit photons into my eyes. I have different appliances to tell it which photons those should be.
A true smart fridge would be great.
An actual smart fridge would do things like scan everything you put in it, so you’d know that you had leftover lasagne from 4 days ago that was about to go bad. It would know its full contents, and where they were (like that you had some kimchi on the 4th shelf in the back), and when they were going to expire. And it would do it without you having to change how you used the fridge, like stopping to carefully scan everything you put in or took out. AFAIK some smart fridges do some of that, but not all.
The one smart feature I could see useful on a fridge would be for it to send me some sort of notification if the door is left open. Perhaps it could also send a notification if the temperature inside gets too warm (or too cold) - which assuming the door is shut would probably mean the fridge is broken.
With that said, I’m perfectly happy with a dumb box that gets cold inside and has a simple electro-mechanical switch to turn the light on when the door is opened.
Or…
Beep if the door is open.
Regulate the temperature automatically.
No AI.
And cars.
Indeedy.
But without a smart fridge, how am I supposed to play Doom in my kitchen?
Do you really want a row of your food disappeared when you arrange it neatly?
It depends on how long the food had been in the fridge…
Just don’t get the screen wet, if the screen is broken, the fridge won’t work for “safety” reasons.
Drink verification can to access refrigerator.
Then you are stuck, cause the verification can is inside.
That’s why it’s important to have a redundant backup fridge with a recovery verification can.
Yes! Why hasn’t anyone posted the copypasta for this?
…That’s a Bosch refrigerator with a tablet stuck to it, presumably with a magnet. (Yes, we ruin everything for you on the Internet.)
Still. Samsung would absolutely try to pull this if they thought they could get away with it.
Well yeah I mean the image is a joke…
Sure, but for some godawful reason Samsung genuinely does make a series of refrigerators with a stupid touch screen in the door, it’s just that this isn’t one of them.
Another random fun fact about those, since we’re kibitzing and we’ll never get a chance to touch on this topic ever again, these silly fridges run Samsung’s Tizen operating system which at one point was supposed to be a successor to MeeGo, i.e. in and of itself the successor to the Maemo OS which ran on the venerable Nokia N900. But this categorically failed to set the world of mobile phones on fire, and nowadays is relegated to being used to making Samsung fridges and televisions annoying. Just one of those things, I guess.
Brawndo’s got what plants crave!
Draper’s law: Any screen a company can control will eventually display ads.
thats too absurd
I wonder how your comment will age in 1, 10, 100 years.
Even regular new fridges are crap now. I bought an Amana fridge in 2008 or so, and by 2021 all the drawers had broken, and the jazz board part had to be replaced twice.
At first I read that as Amazon fridge and I was wondering… well, I was wondering many things…
Is there a kind of open source dumb appliance movement out there? It sure seems like we need one.
They wouldn’t be free as in beer, but it would be awesome to have widely available instructions to take existing mass produced parts and assemble a functional and serviceable appliance.
Or maybe just a control module and some sensors that you can use to retrofit smart appliances.
I’m sure the big companies would keep them from gaining mass adoption though, thanks to cheap appliances with ads and junk parts. They probably already have.
Or … just don’t connect it to the internet?
It is not because it has a wifi antenna or an ethernet port that you need to connect it. Especially if you only want to use the dumb features anyway.
Or … just don’t connect it to the internet?
It is not because it has a wifi antenna or an ethernet port that you need to connect it.
This is increasingly becoming a false statement, unfortunately. Companies are indeed forcing customers to connect in order to use the regular features. For instance, Roku TVs won’t let you change to a regular HDMI input without first connecting and accepting their ToS and updates.
Secondly, even when the forced connection hasn’t been implemented yet, the problem is not entirely fixed. These fridges with digital panels are notorious for randomly having that panel fail, and then the ENTIRE FRIDGE stops working, even though the actually useful compressor and refrigeration loop is intact. Of course, the company will also refuse to sell you a replacement digital panel.
A smart appliance disconnected is still significantly worse than a dumb appliance.
I had an idea to create FOSH (Free open source hardware) license and wiki that contains schematics and plans for making your own hardware, be it a fridge or printer, or handheld label machine but i dont know if it will be worth anyones time. I dont have electrical engineering degree so i couldnt do more than test the products and maintain the website.
I think there was a Black Mirror episode like this.
Did all these companies watch Black Mirror and say “great idea”?
We’ll be drinking our pee on Twitch to be able to afford to pay for our ice dispensor.
PiHole saves the day yet again.
The fridge couldn’t reach the manufacturer’s servers, it gives an error and locks itself refusing to being open and a message appears “Cannot verify subscription status. Contact technical support”
Sounds like something that can be fixed by a little angle grinding.
Until it’s deemed illegal to block ads and you lose points on your social credit rating, more bodies for the corporate prison system.
I am not paying a single subscription and I am not about to not start.
Hell yeah!
My fridge filter looks like a subscription. $50 every 6 months. It’s getting ridiculous
What does it filter? Why do you need a filter in your fridge?
Filters his wallet
Most have a bypass option - some it is a cheap piece of plastic that is a dummy filter that goes in the filter slot, others have an automatic filter bypass when the filter is removed. Might look into that if you aren’t worried about the water being filtered (or prefer to filter it yourself before or after the fridge).
Eye movement trackers will only count the ads you actually watch.
The required brain chip app monitors attentional neural networks while stimulating the image centers to display ads. Common side effects are nausea, vomiting, over throwing the state, and vertigo.
New gig economy side hustle arises, ad-watcher. I’ll come into your home and watch all your unskippable ads for $35 an hour plus tip
Won’t work if they have a serialization scheme, which all these manufacturers are doing these days, uniquely mapping the person to their fridge (its 2050 remember, everyone is neuro-chipped uniquely identified when interfacing with everything).
Additional members who can use the fridge $20/month, but you can map 3 members for $50/month (WOW best value!), and if multiple people watch the ad simultaneously, they can pool their ad time towards the countdown!
Of course there will be a weird bug whereby sometimes one of the people will not be counted
But only members from the same household are allowed. (like streaming services want these days)
Also, if you want your freezer to work, you need to pay an additional €20 for the premium plus package. Don’t see this as bad because now you can cancel that function during winter and activate it during the summer. So only pay for it when you need it. (the argument BMW gave for paying monthly for enabling stuff like seat heaters. For fuck sake, you already have the function in your car, it’s just paywalled)
I try to leave and my bracelet mandated by the Terms of Service immediately administers an electric shock.
Why are we waiting 25 years for technology we have today? We shoud as a tip screen while we’re at it.
Ooh yes a tip screen pops up every time before allowing you access to the fridge then when you select the tip (because there’s no ‘no thanks’ option) it then asks you if you’d like to round up to the nearest $5 for charity.
Also the ads are taking 3x as long as normal to load because your fridge, washer, dryer, smart picture frame, and smart light bulbs are part of a botnet-for-hire, unbeknownst to you
