I mentioned in my comment from the start and before making any edit that this cannot belong to the jewish religon. Same thing happened with ISIS who adopted a false supremacist murderous and evil idology of Islam. They enslaved Yazidi women and slaughtered kids and men whom they viewed as not from the chosen people.
How the fuck was ISIS bad but Zionism is supported by Europe and the US and Western values? ISIS never represented Islam the same way Zionism does not represt Judaism.
ISIS mirrors Zionism to the tee btw. They were colonizing lands that was promised to them by god, slaughtering and raping people for their promised Khalifite who will lead their people to rule the world. They also needed a country for them to escape “the prosecution” they experienced everywhere in the world to practice their idology. Does ISIS have the right to exist??
So lets not pretend these monsters dont exist regardless of what they claim their belief is; We judge them by their actions. The Episten files showed him and Donald Trump impregnating and aborting a mentally disabled kid numerous times. Also showed him mocking a girl who was asking Jesus for help because he absolutely does not believe in any god. Also showed his 1500 galons of acid tank that is connected to the swerage system beneath. There is an ongoing investigation regarding missing bodies in his NM ranch. There is hard undeniable evidence that this monsterous elite Epestien class exist and they do everything above the laws without shred of humanity.
As an ex-muslim. I’d like to correct you that everything that ISIS did is mentioned in Quran and is actually a valid interpretation. In fact, a lot of it is mentioned directly by hadith and verses in the quran. Hence why you will never hear any religious institution calling them “kuffar” or people who have strayed and adopted a false supremacist view. They just really can’t do that because everything ISIS did can, and is justified by the quran and hadith.
However, that is NOT to be taken in an islamaphobic way. The majority of the muslim population have no idea about this, as was I when I was still muslim. Simply because we don’t get taught in schools about it. Islam is a cancer, it has the potential to be used to justify horrible atrocities because the quran and hadith contain so much shit like this. Just like any religion really, but it also happens to be overrun by extremists who spread their extremist views.
No one cares too much about what their book says. We dont care if someone said they follow the Satanic Temple; however we judge them on what they actually do. Zionism is a genocidal settler-colonial cult idology, and its followers inflect evil inhumanity and injustice and pain violating every humanright and crime in international laws, and any interpretation of humans moral norms…
Dude, how can you get this conclusion from what I said? Or is this a strawman or what?
As I said, the definition of “muslim” differs by interpretation because like any other religion, people interpret the text differently. Shia muslims say that they are right. Sunnis think they are right, and within each there is more and more denominations that think they are right and none but them. There is so much infighting between them it makes leftist-infighting look like child’s play.
So yes. One of the interpretations, adopted by ISIS, says that these muslims are considered kuffar (people who have rejected god), because they did not seek to learn about their religion and establish the rules that Allah commanded. Even if they were ignorant about their religion, it doesnt matter, they should have learned as it’s their duty as muslims. Thus, it is okay to kill them (Cuz yes, the quran is okay with killing and enslaving non-muslims, in fact it explicitly encourages it.) So this is how they justify killing them.
Obviously this is the niche explanation of ISIS. Not mainstream islamic interpretations.
You said everything ISIS did is mentioned in quran and is valid interpretation of it. Yes?
Quran defines muslims as people who believe in oness of Allah and Prophet Muhammad as the final messenger of Allah.
Quran is very explicit about this terminology. The part of the quran revealed in Madinah (first islamic state), tackles this question of people who say they are muslim but do not act like it. They are called munafiqs (not kuffar), in fact this is the biggest topic of madni quran.
So when you say that actions of ISIS are from quran, that is categorically wrong.
That’s my whole point. Which is very very apparent if a non-muslim were to read it without an anti-muslim agenda.
I don’t even wanna go into your other false claims cuz the internet is literally filled of their refutations if anyone want to look into that those topics.
You said everything ISIS did is mentioned in quran and is valid interpretation of it. Yes?
Everything ISIS did is a valid interpretation of quran and hadith. Sunni muslims use two sources to make rulings, one is the qur’an and the second is hadith. Because the atrocities are countless, let’s talk about two things they did often:
Ensalevement of women:
The quran explicitly mentions this as Malakat Al-Yamin, it talks about it in regards to islamic laws of marriage and who men are allowed to have sex with, saying that men are allowed to sleep with their wives and those whom they own (Aw Ma Malakat Aymanokom).
Slavery, as you see, is permitted in islam and is mentioned countless times in the quran itself. You can look up the verse I mentioned.
Not only that, it is also supported by hadith in multiple Sahih hadith (which is the highest degree of trust in a hadith being correct and traced back to the time of Muhammed by muslim scholars).
The first hadith talks about his wife Safiyyah Bint Huyayy. She was enslaved during the battle of Khaybar, taken at first by Dihyah Al-Kalby. Muhammed then heard about her beauty and status and decided to take her for himself. I would also like to mention by the way, that she lost her husband and father that day, killed in the battle. She was then taken by Muhammed as a slave, and he slept with her on their way back that night. Not even 24 hours after the death of her father and her husband.
So yes. Muhammed himself partook in slavery.
Another one was about Aayisha and how she set one of her slaves free, then told Muhammed about it. His own response was “Had you given her to one of your uncles would have been of higher reward to you from Allah.” I don’t remember the hadith verbatim, but it’s along those lines. Again, I encourage you to look this up.
Mass killings:
Verse 4 from Surat Muhammed justifies this by telling those who believe in god that: “if they ever meet anyone who is a non-believer they should hit their necks [with their swords] until they kill a large number of them, then take the rest as prisoners of war, until the war ends, and if god wanted he’d win this war…etc (Look up the verse).”
As for the difference between Makkah quran and the quran of Madina, you will find a great shift of tone from the “peaceful co-existence” tone in Makkah quran, to talking about Munaffiqeen and fighting kuffar in Madina Quran. The difference is crazy that the verses contradict one another. Especially verses in surat Al-Tawbah. Scholars solve this problem of contradictions by saying that the latter surahs and verses (and even hadiths in some cases!) essentially override the early verses (Something called Naskh).
So yes.The actions of ISIS can be justified from the Quran and Hadith. I am also willing to argue that this was the way of life of Muhammed and his Sahabah 1400 years ago. A life of war, genocide, and enslavement, as is supported by countless Hadiths and verses from the quran, of which I only told you very few lol.
Now, again I would like to stress. The fact that they do this against other muslims as well by saying they are kaffir, is as I said, not the mainstream view. In fact, most muslim sheikhs and scholars throughout history took the idea of calling a mulsim kafir as taboo. Because they believed only Allah was allowed to say that about someone. The reason is that by saying someone is kaffir you are essentially saying they are going to hell. Thus, making a ruling that only Allah is allowed to make.
So only minority groups of muslims like ISIS do such thing, while even large institutions like Al-Azhar in Egypt and other muslim institutions refrain from using that language against ISIS.
Religions are tools to control the masses and yes the rich use them for this purpose. Thus it should eventually be dismantled if possible, or restrained at least. Because when religious institutions have too much power and influence we can agree that nothing good happens out of it.
No, this is the Jewish religion. They believe you do not have a divine soul, you are inherently lesser, you will be a slave to them when their messiah returns, and if you read about any of their heinous beliefs in the Talmud you should be killed. This is the consequence of allowing a religous ethnostate to control the most controversial region of the world.
Hey speaking of. Have you ever wonder why he wouldn’t shave his sideburns and slicks them back, or why many staffers came out in 2019 and said he converted to Judaism with his daughter.
He’s not doing this shit because he’s Jewish you elder protocol schmuck. It’s because Israel is a convenient attack dog for the US in the middle east. And probably because Mossad has heinous shit on him.
Israelis get unlimited privilages from Zionism even if they were athiests and dont believe shit on the inside; They get to basically kill people and steal their free homes without accountability under Israel’s aparthied judiciary, they get richer from land theft, and occupation, and survaliance control, and aparthied enslavement of Palestinians, and wars on neighboring countriea, and when they spend $250 millions bribing US congress, they get $15 billions back.
Even though it’s legit against the Muslim religion to kill other Muslims.
Not really. Islam has a lot of denominations and interpretations of the quran. ISIS justify killing of other muslims as that these muslims are “kuffar” because they have not actively implemented the teachings of Allah and are silent and complicit in not implementing sharia law.
Some denominations would say that those muslim people are ignorant and so there’s no blame to be put on them. ISIS’s sees that ignorance is not an execuse because in their opinion it is every muslim’s duty to learn their religion, and that if they did, they’d see that they must implement sharia law.
I mentioned in my comment from the start and before making any edit that this cannot belong to the jewish religon. Same thing happened with ISIS who adopted a false supremacist murderous and evil idology of Islam. They enslaved Yazidi women and slaughtered kids and men whom they viewed as not from the chosen people.
How the fuck was ISIS bad but Zionism is supported by Europe and the US and Western values? ISIS never represented Islam the same way Zionism does not represt Judaism. ISIS mirrors Zionism to the tee btw. They were colonizing lands that was promised to them by god, slaughtering and raping people for their promised Khalifite who will lead their people to rule the world. They also needed a country for them to escape “the prosecution” they experienced everywhere in the world to practice their idology. Does ISIS have the right to exist??
So lets not pretend these monsters dont exist regardless of what they claim their belief is; We judge them by their actions. The Episten files showed him and Donald Trump impregnating and aborting a mentally disabled kid numerous times. Also showed him mocking a girl who was asking Jesus for help because he absolutely does not believe in any god. Also showed his 1500 galons of acid tank that is connected to the swerage system beneath. There is an ongoing investigation regarding missing bodies in his NM ranch. There is hard undeniable evidence that this monsterous elite Epestien class exist and they do everything above the laws without shred of humanity.
Isis was paid by Israel and armed by the US
As an ex-muslim. I’d like to correct you that everything that ISIS did is mentioned in Quran and is actually a valid interpretation. In fact, a lot of it is mentioned directly by hadith and verses in the quran. Hence why you will never hear any religious institution calling them “kuffar” or people who have strayed and adopted a false supremacist view. They just really can’t do that because everything ISIS did can, and is justified by the quran and hadith.
However, that is NOT to be taken in an islamaphobic way. The majority of the muslim population have no idea about this, as was I when I was still muslim. Simply because we don’t get taught in schools about it. Islam is a cancer, it has the potential to be used to justify horrible atrocities because the quran and hadith contain so much shit like this. Just like any religion really, but it also happens to be overrun by extremists who spread their extremist views.
No one cares too much about what their book says. We dont care if someone said they follow the Satanic Temple; however we judge them on what they actually do. Zionism is a genocidal settler-colonial cult idology, and its followers inflect evil inhumanity and injustice and pain violating every humanright and crime in international laws, and any interpretation of humans moral norms…
Pretty sure that’s this is religion as a whole, even buddihist texts/guidance somehow call for violence.
So quran says, in order to be a muslim, you have to kill other muslims?
Dude, how can you get this conclusion from what I said? Or is this a strawman or what?
As I said, the definition of “muslim” differs by interpretation because like any other religion, people interpret the text differently. Shia muslims say that they are right. Sunnis think they are right, and within each there is more and more denominations that think they are right and none but them. There is so much infighting between them it makes leftist-infighting look like child’s play.
So yes. One of the interpretations, adopted by ISIS, says that these muslims are considered kuffar (people who have rejected god), because they did not seek to learn about their religion and establish the rules that Allah commanded. Even if they were ignorant about their religion, it doesnt matter, they should have learned as it’s their duty as muslims. Thus, it is okay to kill them (Cuz yes, the quran is okay with killing and enslaving non-muslims, in fact it explicitly encourages it.) So this is how they justify killing them.
Obviously this is the niche explanation of ISIS. Not mainstream islamic interpretations.
You said everything ISIS did is mentioned in quran and is valid interpretation of it. Yes?
Quran defines muslims as people who believe in oness of Allah and Prophet Muhammad as the final messenger of Allah.
Quran is very explicit about this terminology. The part of the quran revealed in Madinah (first islamic state), tackles this question of people who say they are muslim but do not act like it. They are called munafiqs (not kuffar), in fact this is the biggest topic of madni quran.
So when you say that actions of ISIS are from quran, that is categorically wrong.
That’s my whole point. Which is very very apparent if a non-muslim were to read it without an anti-muslim agenda.
I don’t even wanna go into your other false claims cuz the internet is literally filled of their refutations if anyone want to look into that those topics.
Everything ISIS did is a valid interpretation of quran and hadith. Sunni muslims use two sources to make rulings, one is the qur’an and the second is hadith. Because the atrocities are countless, let’s talk about two things they did often:
Slavery, as you see, is permitted in islam and is mentioned countless times in the quran itself. You can look up the verse I mentioned.
Not only that, it is also supported by hadith in multiple Sahih hadith (which is the highest degree of trust in a hadith being correct and traced back to the time of Muhammed by muslim scholars).
The first hadith talks about his wife Safiyyah Bint Huyayy. She was enslaved during the battle of Khaybar, taken at first by Dihyah Al-Kalby. Muhammed then heard about her beauty and status and decided to take her for himself. I would also like to mention by the way, that she lost her husband and father that day, killed in the battle. She was then taken by Muhammed as a slave, and he slept with her on their way back that night. Not even 24 hours after the death of her father and her husband.
So yes. Muhammed himself partook in slavery.
Another one was about Aayisha and how she set one of her slaves free, then told Muhammed about it. His own response was “Had you given her to one of your uncles would have been of higher reward to you from Allah.” I don’t remember the hadith verbatim, but it’s along those lines. Again, I encourage you to look this up.
Verse 4 from Surat Muhammed justifies this by telling those who believe in god that: “if they ever meet anyone who is a non-believer they should hit their necks [with their swords] until they kill a large number of them, then take the rest as prisoners of war, until the war ends, and if god wanted he’d win this war…etc (Look up the verse).”
As for the difference between Makkah quran and the quran of Madina, you will find a great shift of tone from the “peaceful co-existence” tone in Makkah quran, to talking about Munaffiqeen and fighting kuffar in Madina Quran. The difference is crazy that the verses contradict one another. Especially verses in surat Al-Tawbah. Scholars solve this problem of contradictions by saying that the latter surahs and verses (and even hadiths in some cases!) essentially override the early verses (Something called Naskh).
So yes.The actions of ISIS can be justified from the Quran and Hadith. I am also willing to argue that this was the way of life of Muhammed and his Sahabah 1400 years ago. A life of war, genocide, and enslavement, as is supported by countless Hadiths and verses from the quran, of which I only told you very few lol.
Now, again I would like to stress. The fact that they do this against other muslims as well by saying they are kaffir, is as I said, not the mainstream view. In fact, most muslim sheikhs and scholars throughout history took the idea of calling a mulsim kafir as taboo. Because they believed only Allah was allowed to say that about someone. The reason is that by saying someone is kaffir you are essentially saying they are going to hell. Thus, making a ruling that only Allah is allowed to make.
So only minority groups of muslims like ISIS do such thing, while even large institutions like Al-Azhar in Egypt and other muslim institutions refrain from using that language against ISIS.
Isis was armed and paid by Israel. Religions are theaters of the class war, not ennemies in themselves
Religions are tools to control the masses and yes the rich use them for this purpose. Thus it should eventually be dismantled if possible, or restrained at least. Because when religious institutions have too much power and influence we can agree that nothing good happens out of it.
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No, this is the Jewish religion. They believe you do not have a divine soul, you are inherently lesser, you will be a slave to them when their messiah returns, and if you read about any of their heinous beliefs in the Talmud you should be killed. This is the consequence of allowing a religous ethnostate to control the most controversial region of the world.
it is as much jewish as trump is christian
Hey speaking of. Have you ever wonder why he wouldn’t shave his sideburns and slicks them back, or why many staffers came out in 2019 and said he converted to Judaism with his daughter.
He’s not doing this shit because he’s Jewish you elder protocol schmuck. It’s because Israel is a convenient attack dog for the US in the middle east. And probably because Mossad has heinous shit on him.
Israelis get unlimited privilages from Zionism even if they were athiests and dont believe shit on the inside; They get to basically kill people and steal their free homes without accountability under Israel’s aparthied judiciary, they get richer from land theft, and occupation, and survaliance control, and aparthied enslavement of Palestinians, and wars on neighboring countriea, and when they spend $250 millions bribing US congress, they get $15 billions back.
Isn’t there a decent amount of evidence that ISIS is in fact, the IDF. ?
False flag operation.
https://youtu.be/5IojMhNoauk?t=35s
There is not.
Weird how ISIS only targets other Muslims.
Even though it’s legit against the Muslim religion to kill other Muslims.
Paris and Brussels would like a word.
Not really. Islam has a lot of denominations and interpretations of the quran. ISIS justify killing of other muslims as that these muslims are “kuffar” because they have not actively implemented the teachings of Allah and are silent and complicit in not implementing sharia law.
Some denominations would say that those muslim people are ignorant and so there’s no blame to be put on them. ISIS’s sees that ignorance is not an execuse because in their opinion it is every muslim’s duty to learn their religion, and that if they did, they’d see that they must implement sharia law.
They have very strict laws about murder and violence in their holy book.