Israel’s top military lawyer has dropped all criminal charges against five Israel Defense Forces (IDF) reservists who brutally assaulted—including raping—a Palestinian detainee held at the notorious Sde Teiman military detention centre during Israel’s genocidal war on Gaza.
The only person now facing charges and even a jail sentence relating to the events is Yifat Tomer-Yerushalmi—the IDF’s previous Military Advocate General who exposed the crime in the first place and initiated the original investigation and indictments. It was Tomer-Yerushalmi who released in August 2024 the infamous video showing the soldiers surrounding and raping a blindfolded Palestinian detainee against a wall for around 15 minutes.
Investigators are examining allegations against Tomer-Yerushalmi linked to the leak and related actions, such as obstruction or false statements, abuse of office, and disclosure of official information by a public servant. If convicted she could face up to three years in prison.
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I don’t find this compelling.
Go read just the Wikipedia article on denazification, we’re not talking about JUST paper-pushing bureaucrats at all. And I indicated such, you are choosing to focus on people you imagine had almost nothing to do with atrocities. But that isn’t accurate, not even close. 77% of the govt in 1957 were former Nazi party members. If you can excuse that away, there is nothing for us to talk about.
The AfD claims are totally unimpressive to me as well. I’m not going to split hairs with you about “well they really aren’t all that influential…” - not compelling.
Germany did not properly denazify and you haven’t swayed my opinion on that whatsoever with this comment.
You’ll also notice I didn’t mention initial support for Israel, but modern support. It’s been decades of hell from them, continuing support is its own gross flavor of Nazi shit.
I don’t think we’re going to see eye to eye here. If it’s any consolation, in the US we utterly failed to deal with our vicious bigots, too, post Civil War in our case. And we have repeatedly paid the price, today directly follows from our failure.
I don’t need to read the Wikipedia page, I learned this at school, and I live it everyday. I used to go by the statue of Sophie Scholl on my way to work. My favorite sushi place is right next to the square of “victims of national socialism”. It’s not supposed to be compelling, it’s supposed to be effective and Germany, the country ruled by nazis, is the least Nazi country in the neighborhood, so if it was 77% or 78% 70 years ago is not the point, the point is where we are in 2026.
AfD is not splitting hairs, are they in power or not. Are they trying to invade Poland or not. Are women allowed to voted or not. Are we selling weapons to Ukraine or Russia. If “who has the power” is splitting hairs just because it doesn’t fit your narrative, our values are really not aligned.
Compare that to the US where people elected the “tiki torch jews won’t replace us muslim ban” Nazi, he destroyed the economy, killed grandma, sold state secrets, tried a coup and 4 years later they elected him again. That is a failed denazification program. Germany is doing all right, 80+ years later.
Why are we comparing it to the US? My original point was that Germany did not effectively denazify. You disagree, and clearly have greater lived experience with the place, I’m not disputing that. I still feel it was not done properly.
I have endless heaps of criticism, historical up through today, for so much of what my own country (US) has done. I could easily fill pages talking about our crimes (and perfectly legal abuses), plenty of which you’ve probably never even heard of. There’s zero value in addressing that here, to me, entire Lemmy servers handle that very well by my measure.
I’m asking you to evaluate your own country more critically. But merely in defense of my own statement that Germany did not sufficiently denazify, and nothing you’ve said changes my opinion on that thus far. I don’t think we have much else to discuss, but you might disagree.
Edit: in case it needs to be said, US inspired Nazis in the first place, and then welcomed the ones they found useful after the war, I would argue we barely denazified at all. And as you said, look at today. You’re making it “but the US”, my point was always and only about Germany.
Edit numero dos: maybe this is my clearest point, 77% in 1957, disgustingly Nazi shit today via ongoing material support of ongoing genocide, genocide, evil among evil. You claim denazification, and of course, none of those 77% (and moving forward) would be using such symbols. But are they doing the same kinds of things? Are you aware of what Volkswagen was doing in South America up until the modern era? Seems a loooot like Nazi shit.
If post-war German government is the Ship of Theseus - where’s the point where there’s roughly no more Nazi shit? It never occurred, too few boards were replaced, it’s still too much like the original ship.
It’s not my country, I just live here. There’s more nazis in my country than in Germany, and my country was victim of the nazis.
Germany so effectively denazify that it has less nazis than countries where nazis were never in power. Today. In 2026. As we speak. Indepently from what happened in 1947, 1957 or 1967. It took a while, it was thorough and it was effective.
We just don’t seem to be talking about the same thing, or in the same way, at all. I’m talking about factual evidence of Nazi-ass imperialistic, anti-human behavior, historical and ongoing, you just keep saying “there’s few Nazis, denazification was effective”, never disputing the Nazi stuff that can be seen, and never really justifying your claims about “few Nazis” except that you live there, or something.
It’s grown tedious. You have demonstrated you have nothing substantial to offer or at least an unwillingness to go there. Think I’m all done.
Nazi stuff can be seen EVERYWHERE, not only in Germany, and Germany is the country with the LEAST Nazi stuff to be seen.