US forces have seized an oil tanker off the coast of Venezuela, in a major escalation of Donald Trump’s four-month pressure campaign against the South American country’s dictator, Nicolás Maduro.

  • El Barto@lemmy.world
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    Organize against what, exactly?

    The way I see it, it’s two assholes fighting. (Edit: two asshole governments, I meant. The Venezuelan people are innocent and shouldn’t be involved in that conflict. That was my point).

    Both suck and are responsible of crisis and death of their own country people. Let them fight, then. Though I know Venezuela doesn’t stand a chance, unfortunately.

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        Of course I’m aware! And that invalidates my point how?

        Venezuelans unfortunately don’t stand a chance against the U.S. They couldn’t oust Maduro, for crying out loud.

        I hope Venezuelans, the people, don’t suffer much. I hate that there is war looming on them.

        But the two governments involved? Fuck them.

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      Ah yes you are displaying the kind of intelligence the US military favours in its recruits. Non at all.

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        Whatever dude. I know what I’m talking about because I lived in Venezuela at a time when they tried to oust Chávez, and failed miserably.

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          Great for you but that’s got nothing to do with what we were talking about which was you thinking that a war between Venezuela and the United States would be a good thing.

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            edit: actually I misremembered. The OP said that “we” needed to organize better. I guess meaning to say organize better to stop this war on its tracks.

            I guess I can agree with that.

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        I won’t say my grammar is perfect, but I do try not to misspell things and insult other people’s intelligence at the same time.

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          You seem to be under the deluded impression that a war between two people only affects those two people, so yeah I’m insulting your intelligence. Do you even know what a war is, I know that’s a stupid question but I’m seriously asking because it sounds like you don’t?

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      Whatever the situation is in Venezula, it’s not going to be a good thing for America to get entangled.

      Hussein was a pretty bad dude, but our intervention in Iraq ultimately was bad for America and didn’t exactly make things in Iraq better.

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      It wouldn’t be a fight, it would be a massacre. Untold thousands dead, millions of refugees. Knowing this, how could you possibly wish for it?

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        I guess that’s how my point came across, but that’s not what I meant. No, I wish no war on Venezuela because of what you just said.

        I was replying to the poster who said “Venezuelan people! Fight!” Fight?! For the government that maimed them in the first place? No. Let the two governments fight if they want. Regular Venezuelans should flee if they can.

    • DylanMc6 [any, any]@lemmy.ml
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      5 days ago

      would there a marxist revolution against both maduro and trump in venezuela? NOT repeating any US state department talking points (looking at you, hexbear!), just asking. seriously!

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        Uh, the current Venezuelan government is marxist. They borrowed Cuba and Russia’s playbook.

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          well their ideology is “socialism of the 21st century” which states that both socialism of the 20th century and capitalism failed to solve problems such as poverty, oppression, hunger, corruption and hatefulness and such. seriously!

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            Sure. That slogan is as true as North Korea’s offical name: Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.

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        Why would there be a Marxist revolution in Venezuela if they already have a Bolivarian revolution going on? Venezuela is an extremely grassroots country, more than 10% of the state budget is allocated to local committees to spend however they democratically desire from what I gather. Tens of thousands of Venezuelans are actually enlisting as volunteers this past month to the country’s militias to defend the country from possible American invasion.