Childishly inadequate comparison.
There’s a world of difference between domestic abuse, and allowing an hostile alliance to encircle your country.
Furthermore, I recommend listening to the interview I linked above: Ukraine and Russia had a bilateral agreement together, that Ukraine broke. This is according to a french former monitor of the OSCE.
Russia announced that they would invade if Ukraine moved to join NATO. Who should we blame, the state that set clear boundaries, or the state that was recklessly told to break the boundaries?
Furthermore, according to a former international monitor from the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE), Ukraine is the party to blame for the breakdown of the previous agreement, not Russia.
The “Russia bad” narrative only makes sense if you start the story on february 2022 and refuse to learn anything about the context leading up to the SMO.
“I’m very concerned about my surgery, is the surgeon very talented?”
“Oh, he fucks”
“You mean that figuratively? As in, he’s very good at what he does?”
“…”
You’re being purposefully disingenuous at this point.
You asked me “[…] to prove they want to be Russian not the other way round” and I gave you sources that showed that there is a culturally russian population in these regions. I’m done with this straw-manning.
What are you even talking about? The 2010 election is different from the referendums I mentioned previously? I never called this election a sham.
Are you even familiar with the cultural layout of Ukraine? I wasn’t aware that we were starting the conversation so far back that I have to explain that “marginalized russian speakers might prefer Russian rules over Ukrainian rules”.
There’s a significant percentage of native Russian speaker that lives in the annexed part of the country. An overwhelming amount of these russophones voted for a pro-Russia government in 2010.
This population also was under duress of ukrainian nationalist in 2014 (“Ukrainian Nationalist Volunteers Committing ‘ISIS-Style’ War Crimes”). Are these people supposed to be begging for Ukrainian liberation or someshit?
I’m asking questions, why are you getting so emotional and upset?
If you are correct, then just share sources showing that there’s a massive resistance movement in the area that voted for a referendum and that Russia barely gains anything from being there. Ukrainians are praised for their guerilla warfare, how come Russia can hold on to so many regions?
Like I already said: Russia will act as though they aren’t a sham.
Unless you tell me you can stop Russia from doing what it pleases, it doesn’t matter that the west cry foul.
Why are YOU not asking what is going on in these regions? What if the referendums weren’t scam and most of the ex-Ukrainians are actually happy? This isn’t my assertion, I genuinely don’t know what is going on there, hence me asking what the morale is over there.
I’ve done some superficial researches but I couldn’t find anything: does anyone know what the morale is like in the regions that voted to join the Russian federation ? I only found out recently that there was a referendum held in the regions almost immediately by Russia. Stop. I know you want to call these referendum a sham, but this isn’t the question here. Russia is going to operate as though they aren’t a sham and no one has the power to stop them at the moment, so what I’m asking is “what is going on in these regions”.
I can’t find the article I initially found on the matter, but apparently civilian areas were being shelled by Ukraine during the vote period.
I’m not sure why Kyiv is so obsessed with fighting to reclaim regions that were ethnic russians and that seems like they don’t even want to be part of Ukraine.
Then why are you trying to defend NATO?
Do you understand the concept of encirclement?